The greatest coaches/managers in history

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Krokko, May 16, 2020.

  1. Krokko

    Krokko Member

    Nov 16, 2011
    Club:
    AIK Solna
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    I suppose you've all seen FourFourTwo's ranking of the greatest managers ( https://www.givemesport.com/1566603-fourfourtwo-have-ranked-the-100-greatest-managers-of-alltime ) featuring Roy Hodgson, but not Meisl, Hidalgo, Sebes & Co.

    It would be nice no see your preferences. Meanwhile, here's my Top 50:

    1 Michels
    2 Ferguson
    3 Guardiola
    4 Sacchi
    5 Cruyff
    6 Happel
    7 Meisl
    8 Lobanovsky
    9 Clough
    10 Herrera
    11 Mourinho
    12 Shankly
    13 Sebes
    14 Trapattoni
    15 Busby
    16 Lippi
    17 Ancelotti
    18 Muñoz
    19 Paisley
    20 Klopp
    21 T. Santana
    22 Rocco
    23 Guttmann
    24 Pozzo
    25 Capello
    26 Van Gaal
    27 Hitzfeld
    28 Del Bosque
    29 Chapman
    30 Heynckes
    31 Wenger
    32 J. Stein
    33 Zidane
    34 Zagallo
    35 Lattek
    36 Maslov
    37 Benítez
    38 Rehhagel
    39 Hiddink
    40 Scolari
    41 Simeone
    42 Robson
    43 Liedholm
    44 Dalglish
    45 Aragonés
    46 Schön
    47 Weisz
    48 Czeizler
    49 Beckenbauer
    50 Eriksson
     
  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    1) There is already a thread for this

    2) Sacchi should never be above Cruijff; not in a million years.
     
  3. Krokko

    Krokko Member

    Nov 16, 2011
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    I've been looking for that thread, but I still cannot find it.
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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  5. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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  6. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Nothing interesting.
     
  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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  10. ffff15

    ffff15 Member

    Argentina
    Sep 29, 2021
    Ernst Happel is the GOAT
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    Then Guardiola & Sir Alex
     
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  12. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
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    Croatia
    From late 2015 onwards Mourinho has proved he is incapable of adapting his approach in an evolving environment.

    What do we make of that? It is not like managers can have their "prime" in the same way as players do.

    I think longevity is much more important factor for managers.
     
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  13. carlito86

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  14. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    #14 PDG1978, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:14 AM
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20 AM
    I'm not saying Ten Hag was about to do the same, or that I was anticipating it soon if he had stayed, but funny maybe to think about how Manchester United did in 1988/89 and 1989/90 (though winning the FC Cup in the latter one), and even 1990/91 to an extent (though winning the Cup Winners Cup)!

    On the other hand, overall, maybe there is more of a parallel to Ron Atkinson with Ten Hag (the previous manager before Alex Ferguson took over during 1986/87), or Atkinson even did a bit better results/trophies wise if anything (arguably though it was easier to do it when only Liverpool were consistently ahead of them and had more prestige and/or possibly buying power/draw for new signings, albeit United quite often had good results in games against them actually, as opposed to recently with established and rich top-end Premier League clubs Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal....)

    List of Manchester United F.C. managers - Wikipedia
    List of Manchester United F.C. seasons - Wikipedia
    (1980/81 - before Atkinson started) 42 15 18 9 51 36 48 8th R4 R2 UEFA CupR1 Joe Jordan 15
    1981–82 Div 1 42 22 12 8 59 29 78 3rd R3 R2 Frank Stapleton 13
    1982–83 Div 1 42 19 13 10 56 38 70 3rd Winners Runners-up UEFA CupR1 Frank Stapleton 19
    1983–84 Div 1 42 20 14 8 71 41 74 4th R3 R4 Winners Cup Winners' CupSF Frank Stapleton 19
    1984–85 Div 1 42 22 10 10 77 47 76 4th Winners R3 UEFA CupQF Mark Hughes 24
    1985–86 Div 1 42 22 10 10 70 36 76 4th R5 R4 Runners-up Ban on
    English teams
    Mark Hughes 18
    1986–87 Div 1 42 14 14 14 52 45 56 11th R4 R3 Peter Davenport 16
    1987–88 Div 1 40 23 12 5 71 38 81 2nd R5 R5 Brian McClair 31
    1988–89 Div 1 38 13 12 13 45 35 51 11th R6 R3 Mark Hughes
    Brian McClair 16
    1989–90 Div 1 38 13 9 16 46 47 48 13th Winners R3 Mark Hughes 15
    1990–91 Div 1 38 16 12 10 58 45 59[v] 6th R5 Runners-up Shared[r] Cup Winners' CupWinners Mark Hughes
    Brian McClair 21
    1991–92 Div 1 42 21 15 6 63 33 78 2nd R4 Winners

    Brian McClair 24

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    (If the free-kick was given for a nudge/push by Wilson, number 14, at the end, I think maybe it's a fair call to be honest though)
     
  15. NeuerGOAT

    NeuerGOAT Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 18, 2023
    Back then, ManU was struggling and didn't have the same level of investment they have today. Plus, the fans who lived through that era could see the direction SAF was taking the team, but the trophies weren't coming. So, he made some big changes and completely revolutionized the club. Ten Hag, on the other hand, started with nothing; it was a barren wasteland. Fans didn't see any improvements, especially considering he built the team from scratch and had significant investment.
     
  16. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think, relatively (not in real terms) United's spending back then was comparably significant to of late, and in excess of most of their domestic competitors at the time (buying back Mark Hughes, buying Gary Pallister, buying Neil Webb, buying Paul Ince etc for millions of pounds).

    There is reference to some fan discontent from the end of 1989 calendar year here:
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  17. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #17 moodiomemo, Oct 31, 2024 at 6:07 PM
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2024 at 6:17 PM
    why you do not choose south american coaches? We never had great coaches here???
    I read these threads and i never read a name from africa, south america....only europeans
    Colombia had maturana and gabriel ochoa uribe
    Uruguai had hugo bagnulo, luis cubillla and oscar tabarez
    Argentina zubeldia , pizutti, cesarini, menotti, jorge valdano
    Peru Marcos calderon medrano
    and etc etc etc
    We had great coach names here in south america too


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  18. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    for example in spain you always mention guardiola and cruyff
    Ok , they build a legacy not only with titles but the way they change and think the game

    Im a big fan of this guy
    His work on tenerife, real madrid and valencia was great. Hes a great "snake charmer" as diego lugano used to said
    The way he think football is the same line as sacchi, menotti, cruyff, michels and maturana

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