The Geneva Accord

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  1. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

    This ha'aretz special give full space to various opinions, news etc.

    Oh Sharon is furious, maybe because the lie that there is no counterpart to negotiate has been unveiled by this basic agreement.
     
  2. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Uh...who???

    The quote that the peace proposal was an agreement between "Israeli opposition and Palestinian officials" is a lie. I've never heard of Rabbo and, if he is a "former minister", he is not a current Palestinian official. Perhaps he, like Abu Mazen, was ousted precisely because he was willing to make peace with Israel?

    And even if it was Yasser Arafat himself who made the agreement with the Israeli opposition, I still wouldn't put any stock in it. After all, it's in Arafat's interest to see some dovish leftie, who will sit around and talk about negotiations while Israeli children are murdered, get elected in Jerusalem.
     
  3. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    Re: Re: The Geneva Accord

    What a clever political analyst you are dfb.

    Read something if you're ignorant.

    There's plenty of articles in that special.

    Rabbo is a wellknown palestinian politician. In the top rank.

    Do you know israeli Amram Mitzna?

    Look what he thinks about it.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

    But... have US medias talked about this initiative?
     
  4. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nope, the US media hasn't talked about. I'm sure the Italian media is doing a bang up job though.
     
  5. house18

    house18 Member

    Jun 23, 2003
    St. Louis, MO
    With time and patience anyone can find an article taking any position on any issue on the web. I'll bet you can find articles about Hitler and Saddam being great humanitarians. Weeeeeee!
     
  6. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    In the words of Thomas Aquinas, DUH. No Israeli government is going to agree to the right of return. Why are you acting shocked?

    I heard on the radio news today that the Muslim authority controlling the Temple Mount doesn't allow Jews into the area. Can anyone confirm, or do I have to look it up myself? Please don't make me do research. I hate learning things.
     
  7. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    An article?

    Why don't you click the link?

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

    House18 do you know what Ha'aretz is?
     
  8. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    Io l'ho letto nel Corriere della Sera, Dante.
     
  9. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    Re: Re: The Geneva Accord

    What a lie. Israel knows and accepts the fact that the West Bank and Gaza are not theirs. They know that will maybe be a palestinian state. They simply are not willing to make a handoff while their citizens are being murdered.
     
  10. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    Re: Re: The Geneva Accord

    :confused:

    The palestinian signers are said to be men near Arafat and Marwan Barghouti.
    Not really the less influential palestinian leaders.

    Dan, Sharon isn't furious because of the terms of the accord, it is furious because the result of this laburist initiative could be that

    "now many people will reach the understanding that they have been deceived for the last three years.

    For three years the prime minister brainwashed the public on the grounds that only force will bring victory.

    He and his colleagues made the public believe that there truly is "nobody to talk to," that" the IDF can win" and that if we use more force, the Palestinians will break."


    As Amram Mitzna said.

    Did you read Mitzna's opinion? I posted the link in this thread.
     
  11. Demosthenes

    Demosthenes Member+

    May 12, 2003
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    Re: Re: Re: The Geneva Accord

    But do they have the authority to enforce the terms of the agreement and reign in the terrorists? The whole (supposed) reason Sharon won't negotiate with Arafat is that Arafat can't or won't stop the terrorism. Is there any reason to believe that this Rabbo person can?
     
  12. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

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    Re: Re: Re: The Geneva Accord

    Well, I'm not clear on how and why the Wakf control the Temple Mount site, but it's a real issue that they don't want to allow Jews to have any access to the site. (Of course, the issue is muddied by the fact that even Orthodox Jews are divided on the issue, but the Wakf position doesn't exactly come from the same point of view.)

    Basically, there's no way that any Israeli government will give up sovereignty on the Temple Mount. Muslims are allowed in under Israeli control; there's no chance the same courtesy will be extended if the opposite is true. It wasn't between 1948 and 1967, after all.

    The Palestinians have two, in my opinion, unreasonable positions - the right of return, and political control of East Jerusalem. Any negotiations with those issues are guaranteed non-starters.

    And how would any Italian government feel if non-elected leaders were negotiating with enemies in Italy's name? I can guess how George W. Bush would react to an American stunt like this, and he'd be right.
     
  13. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=352826

    I remember it happened also with Rabin.

    Trying to build bridges instead of destroying them, how criminal they are...

    Important.

     
  14. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1023/p08s02-comv.html
     
  15. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Whether in Israel, California, or arguably Florida, some people don't respect elections.


    Ariel Sharon 1,698,077 62.39%
    Ehud Barak 1,023,944 37.61%
     
  16. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    Thank you for keeping alive the thread, Ben.

    There are multiple examples in history where the minority was right and the majority totally wrong and foolish.

    No one is going to perform a golpe.

    The accord is there for clever and willing ppl to see.
     
  17. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    That isn't the point. The point is that Sharon has every right to be angry, as would any PM.
     

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