that ^ post actually has been in limbo since yesterday. is that what he said? no he said ALWAYS. all the rest NO ONE here disagrees with on principle. but the police themselves admit there was a mistake and there's an internal investigation going on. and following another recent incident (not involving football) the use of a different riot-control bomb has been suspended and it the use of flashballs at matches is going to be reexamined as well. so in trying to agree with the police, you're disagreeing with them here. if you don't have any of the facts don't just blow off any old nonsense that suits you. that's not debate!
How would I have known that the police admitted there was a mistake? Do you have a link where I can read more?
Kent State? Really? You cite one incident that was 40 years ago? In which the police weren't involved (it was the National Guard). Rodney King was actually driving under the influence. Not that it means he deserved a beating - two of the cops were found guilty on the Federal level. Let's paint all cops with those two instances (which were wrong to have happened) instead of all those police that put their lives on the line day to day to protect us. Did you know 380 police officers in AMERICA lose their lives every year protecting the citizens of the U.S? Is anybody crying for them or their families?
You think there are only 2 instances in all of American history? Go on back to Fox News and Breitbart so you don't have to leave the echo chamber. Or try reading this. http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/usa/USHRN15.pdf
I didn't say there were only two instances. Those were the two the gentleman cited. Don't you think police do more good for the community than bad? Unfortunately people like you only want to focus on the bad.
If they aren't charging for those tickets or are only charging half price that is less than what they would be getting for full price tickets. I wonder if a game is ordered to be played behind closed doors - do fans who have bought tickets get refunds? If the club keeps the money - then they aren't missing out on anything at all then.
I understand that. But if we had a scenario where the clubs where in a position where they ad to do something for a game or three. Then maybe a only woman and children suggestion isn`t so dumb ? Many fans have a season card. This people would probably not get a refund. But i think there is many seats in the stadium that isn`t payed for. All im trying to say is that i find it wrong that the clubs get punished for what the fans do. I understand that something has to be done. But a third pard punishment isn`t the way to go in my eyes.
Or how about the 500 (20% under the age 18) fans in Copenhagen that was teargased and wrongly detained before Brandy - FCK in desember. The Copenhagen police have already admitted it was wrong to detain almost 500 fans and already payed 2500 kroner (335 euros) for "false imprisonment" for each of those arrested. http://www.ultras-tifo.net/news/298...ans-got-compensation-for-wrongful-arrest.html
Ulrik Yttergård Jenssen signed for Lyon in 2012. But im nor sure if he is till there ? John Carew was in Lyon from 2005-2007 Some females on the woman`s team i believe .
coincidence, there was an article about ulrik on the team website just the other day! http://www.olweb.fr/en/article/international-news-from-the-academy-66746.html but i was actually thinking of ada hegerberg. women's football is a big thing here and she's becoming a big star! 19 years old, leading the league in scoring and barring accident on her way to being perhaps the best in the history of the women's game. she's just gold-plated dynamite.
The police have admitted they were wrong. I guess in my opinion it falls under the better safe than sorry argument.
ok. I guess. But, they need to find a way to modify the behavior of fans who cause trouble at games. Going to a football match is a privilege (there are certain types of behavior that should not be tolerated), as opposed to a right.
I thought you did`t want a nanny state ? But if they had`t admitted it. ( something that happens regularly )Would you stil say they where wrong ?
To find a way to modify fans behavior , the authorities and the clubs need to invite and lead a dialog and communication. NOT exclude them. I agree there is a certain behaviour that can not be tolerated . Only i think it is only the people busted for the bad behaviour that should be punished. Not the clubs or the other majority of people that is well behaved
Dependent upon the information that I could have. I don't want a nanny state. The police need to get wide latitude in terms of protecting the public.
Good thing that's not a valid defense for denying someone's civil rights. You don't want a nanny state, you want a police state.
No I want the police to be able to protect themselves and go home to their families at night. Until the police prove otherwise - they get the benefit of the doubt.
whereas the rest of us have wet dreams about millions of dead cops? is that what you're implying? Q: could you make a guy like this up? A: no, you couldn't.