The Fenômeno from Palmeiras - The Endrick Felipe de Sousa Thread

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  1. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    This isn't true

    Not if you've entered the common times and use vehicles like Trusts and Prenups.

    If you are of means you can hire representations to draft and build such things to dictate what a future would be in case of break up
     
  2. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    Untying a revocable trust isn’t as easy as you think. Plus some states like California are 50/50 split of assets.

    And yes, most wealthy people I know have had infidelity. Business trips are the perfect cover for having trysts, sugar babies, etc….

    Meanwhile back at home the wife is getting 1v1 instruction from her yoga/fitness instructor.
     
  3. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

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    People with fame and wealth are no better or worse than the common folk

    Infidelity is just easier since they have more resources and temptation
     
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  4. Saeta Rubia

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  5. 4x4s

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    Not really a fan of that.
     
  6. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

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    you don’t like given, not earned?
     
  7. 4x4s

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    Schalke gave a zweite Bundesliga a "talent" with a similar clause and as soon as it became known that the kid is supposed to be forced into the lineup he got his head rocked in training sessions so badly that Schalke abandoned the loan deal.

    The players live off the game. If you're taking away their ability to make money by executive order, they will take matters into their own hands.

    Endrick needs to experience the regular profootball life.
     
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  8. J-Mezzy

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    I agree

    Forced playing time doesn’t help anyone


    Though I feel the kid is so desperate to still make the World Cup that he should fight with teeth and nails. If he doesn’t, there was never going to be any hope for him anyways. He has to make this work
     
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  9. Ahmadi8

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    I'm actually a big fan of this.

    What incentivizes the other team/manager to play a loaned player if they can't count on him later after a few months or a year?
    I think having some guarantees of minutes is smart.
     
  10. 4x4s

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    Because they need results now and the player presents a reinforcement that is good enough for him to get on the field. Coaches don't care about next year's roster, they know they are unemployed if they fail.

    If Bobbi cant get on the field on merit at Lyon, he doesn't belong anywhere near our roster.

    Two, is it rewards him for just being famous when the exercise here should be to get him the full experience of competition and reward.

    Unless we think he's not the guy and we figure Lyon will stick him to the bench and we'll swindle a couple bucks out of them that way.
     
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  11. Ahmadi8

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    If he isn't good enough it will show if he isn't performing on the field too.
     
  12. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    If he can’t breakthrough at Lyon on his own merit, how will he do it here?

    I’d incentivize Lyon to play him via stat bonus. He scores 10 goals, they get a bonus. Carrot is better than the stick.
     
  13. Hendrix22

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    I mean they can still not play him, they will just pay some money if they don't. They are not exactly obliged to field him. If hes that crap there, they would likely accept the penalty. Its a calculated risk on their behalf because they assume hes good enough as we all do. He should be tbh for the French league.
     
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  14. 4x4s

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    I wouldn't sign a player with a "playing requirement" clause. You're setting the guy up to be treated like shit by the vets who are already looking at the guy as the silver spoon Madrid luxury buy. Seen it happen before.

    Whole situation doesn't give me a good vibe.
     
  15. Hendrix22

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    Except its not a "playing requirement clause" which was pretty much my point. And they signed him betting on the fact that he is good enough to play.
     
  16. 4x4s

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    If we have to slap a financial penalty for him not playing (aka not being good enough to do so) then maybe we don't believe in him as much as I assumed we did.
     
  17. MaxY

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    Or maybe we want to ensure that he's being played later in the season when they have no goal that they can hit in favor of players that are actual Lyon players.
     
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  18. Hendrix22

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    Its up to them if they accept it, and they did. Its more about whether they accept than if we asked.
     
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  19. 4x4s

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    Which means that he becomes an enemy within his own team taking away reps from people that rely on them to make a living. What i want people to understand here is that a child with zero european football experience gets a financial incentive for the club to play rather than for it to come from an honest place - at a competitive workspace that's not a good spot to put a guy in. Feels like a bad mark to put on him, but for now i've written Endrick off until i can have an idea that he can be a week to week contribution to a team like Real Madrid which is very far away given what we've seen.

    This truly might just be a way for the club to maximize what they can get out of this.
     
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  20. Hendrix22

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    I think youre underestimating the fact that there is a plethora of financial incentives all over the case and there is no such thing as an honest place and this clause is just the tip of the iceberg but time will tell obviously about Endrick.
     
  21. 4x4s

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    I'll remind you of that when he gets injured but it doesn't happen on field and everybody wonders "huh?" and somehow blames Xabi for it when the reason for a training ground "touch up" is obvious.
     
  22. petros93

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    I don't agree with Xabi's decision to completely freeze him out of the team. Same with Rodrygo.
     
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  23. temesgen

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    He's been getting that all season though, he's not getting a sniff right now
     
  24. 4x4s

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    #2499 4x4s, Nov 20, 2025
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    Every single report so far that leaked is that Xabi puts positions up for grabs.

    We've never had such turnover on the field from game to game since Lopetegui, and it's interesting to me that the idea is that several players are upset about the "uncertainty it causes".

    True competition for minutes is either total, or absent. A competition whereby a player is "a little bit judged by performance" and another is "given opportunity" creates a chaos.

    We've had an old school "those are MY GUYS" mentality for an eternity under Carlo and Zidane, so I am certain a lot of commonplace things look exotic to us.

    I truly think this is a moment for players to show they have the right mentality, and the right mentality isn't "oh I did my homework TODAY can I get the PS5 now" sort of OK I made a small step in the right direction now reward is due, it's what you do every single day even when it's not required.

    I want to see a struggling player be in razor sharp shape, on the bench Lazer focused on the field. This stuff is NORMAL.


    When a new player sits on a table we mix it up and set the deck up from the beginning. You don't deal him the hand of the guy that played before him and tell him those are the cards he has to play.
     
  25. Hendrix22

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    Feb 28, 2010
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    On one hand you have people saying we trust Xabi.

    On the other hand, when he play Mastantuono they say its undeserved. And when he doesn't play Endrick its undeserved. Despite evidence on the contrary for both (performance level with Mastantuono on the court, Endrick's poor movement and connection with teammates and work rate)

    Weird contradiction.
     
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