The fall of Jose: specialist in failure

Discussion in 'Portugal' started by prodigal_mind, Mar 10, 2020.

  1. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    Jul 3, 2018
    Embarrassment of a coach. His career at the top is done. Would not even take him on the national team anymore.

    what are the reasons he became a specialist in failure? Joe Martello maybe you can tell us what he lacks in his coaching. Imo he’s a dinosaur who just worried about defending and implements no pressing or attacking movements at all:
     
  2. SCP21

    SCP21 Member

    Jul 1, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    #2 SCP21, Mar 10, 2020
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    Gotta love the irony of you consistently defending Felix, despite him accomplishing nothing, but calling by far the best and most accomplished manager in Portugal's history an embarrassment.
     
  3. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Shits hilarious. Kids an absolute clown with the shit he posts.

    Felix spent one year in Benficas first team, and all the sudden, he's world class.

    But let's shit on Mourinho with a massively injured squad without Son, Kane, Sissoko, Delle Ali, Sanchez, Bergwijn. Dude took over a team in 14th place and they're now in 8th. The team is crap and lost Ericksen and Trippier in the transfer window.
     
  4. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    #4 prodigal_mind, Mar 11, 2020
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    accomplished nothing.....won the Portuguese league LOL. Mourinho is done at the top no big club will touch him ever again.
    Yawn. What’s your excuse for his pathetic man utd stint? What’s your excuse for him not winning a cl knockout in what will be 7 years LOL. This is the guy who sold Kevin de bruyne.....and benched modric at Real Madrid. Football has evolved and his dinosaur tactics no longer cut it. He is the new capello
     
  5. SCP21

    SCP21 Member

    Jul 1, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Lol his man utd stint was far and away the most successful since Ferguson left.
     
  6. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    Jul 3, 2018
  7. SCP21

    SCP21 Member

    Jul 1, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    I dont understand your point? Fans dont like him, so therefore he wasnt the most successful manager since Ferguson? That's not how it works kid. Ill say it again, he was far and away the most successful manager since Ferguson.
     
  8. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    #8 prodigal_mind, Mar 11, 2020
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    The europa league and the micky mouse efl cup are not huge accomplishments. Ironically, the two other managers he did better than were also dinosaurs. He didnt even do that much better than Van Gaal....and if you factor in the amount of money Jose spent his accomplishments are pathetic. Spent HUGE amounts of money on Lindelof, Bailly, Pogba, Lukaku, Matic, Mkhi, Fred and Sanchez yet he didnt do much to improve United and instead regressed them with his awful recruitment and constant excuses throwing players under the bus. Was not able to get the best out of Martial, Lukaku, Fred, Pogba and Lindelof.

    Theres a reason they dont like him, its because he was an awful manager over there. This poster over there said it best.....
    "I really wish we didn't take the route of LVG/Jose, We lost literally 6 years in between them.

    If you look at their records obviously they looked like a good appointment at that time but we were unlucky that not only wasted lot of money but also travelled backwards."

    I guess i must be in the twilight zone. You guys are completely oblivious to the fact mourinho has lost it. Theres a reason hes at Tottenham and not an actual big club. Do you seriously believe his stint at Manchester United was a success?
     
  9. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    -"Pathetic" Man U stint addressed in SCP21's post below. As he stated, they have been a pathetic squad for some time, and he's had by far the most successful stint.

    -Yea he sold De Bruyne, the same De Bruyne who, by your logic, hasn't been able to make it to the CL semis as a Man City player. Please name a coach who hasn't sold a valuable player at any time during their managerial career.

    His tactics today may not cut it, but that remains to be seen. Right now he's fielding an awful squad. So we'll see what happens.
     
  10. Joe Martelo

    Joe Martelo Member

    CDC Montalegre
    Portugal
    Sep 30, 2019
    As cheesy as it sounds, he has become complacent and lost the eye of the tiger for those who are familiar with the rocky balboa movie series.

    this is why cr7 is one of the GOATs, his hunger to constantly be the best.

    mourinho has lost the eye of the tiger and is outdated.

    even myself as a youth coach, I have many days where even if my team wins I wake up in the middle of the night questioning myself and my own tactics. I study teams around the world and coaches for ideas . My motto is you can never get too arrogant , the second you believe you know it all you are dead.

    My top portiguese coaches right now are Jesus, Espírito Santo, Conceicao, and perhaps Ruben amorim largely depending how he does with sporting cp.
     
  11. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    #11 prodigal_mind, Mar 11, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2020
    Part of the reason they have a pathetic squad is due to your boy Joses players he personally bought LOL. He spent 362 million in his tenure, yet when he was fired they were still a pathetic squad.

    KDB has been to the cl semi finals. Fake news. He is also the best midfielder in the world and his talent even at the time was no secret.
    https://www.transfermarkt.us/kevin-...13&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
    He didnt even give him a fair shot.

    "His tactics today may not cut it, but that remains to be seen." Which was the point of this thread to discuss this very point. I believe his tactics no longer cut it and he does not know how to properly coach a press. Pressing has become a huge part of the game in recent years
     
  12. SCP21

    SCP21 Member

    Jul 1, 2011
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    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Lmao Europa league and efl are not huge accomplishments, but the Portuguese league is?
     
  13. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal

    Well no, that isn't the point of this thread, since you basically concluded that he is done and a specialist in failure. There was no attempt at an open ended discussion, you already made your conclusion.

    Also, the point of me saying that was that Jose has only been Tottenham manager for 4 months without the opportunity to build his own squad. How can you already brand him a failure when he's using the leftovers of Pochettino's failures?

    Mourinho did win the EL. So not sure why you're branding him a failure when everyone before him and after him have been dog shit.

    In regards to De Bruyne, I get it. But as I mentioned in my previous post, please share an example of a manager who hasn't sold a player who's gone on to do great things elsewhere. If the only thing that you legitimately hang your hat on is that he sold De Bruyne, then your argument is weaker than your current state of your club blowing a 7 point lead.

    Also, you lost all credibility when you dick ride a loser like Felix and downplay everyone else.
     
  14. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    Jul 3, 2018
    If you spend 352 million and your only trophies is the Europa league and elf cup, and your team is still nowhere near good enough to challenge (I’m not even saying win...:just mounting a challenge) for the champions league and premier league....then yes you failed.

    also Felix is 19 and carried benfica who were looking hopeless at the time to a portuguese championship.

    Felix derangement syndrome is a serious disease. Any thread he is brought up in now, his name can’t escape your minds. I think I know the reason why you guys are so obsessed

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.spo...end-naked-photos-says-felix-20190414.amp.html

    I’m guessing you guys caught your gf/wife/sister/mom sending Felix nudes
     
  15. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    Jul 3, 2018
    Imagine branding Pochettinos time at Tottenham a failure..... LOOOL

    Yes if you win the EL after spending 352 million and your team is still not even good enough to make a challenge (im not even saying win, just make a challenge.....reach the quarter finals.....finish within 10 points of the first place team) for the league and cl then yes you failed to progress the club.

    well the point is its not only de bruyne. He fuked up with Pogba, Modric, Martial, Lukaku, Cuadrado, Fred and Salah. His negative shit football makes his attacking players look bad since all he is focused on is parking the bus and negating the other teams attacks instead of imposing his own teams will. Like Simeone, he is a failure when it comes to coaching attacking football and getting the best out of his attackers. Simeone on the other hand is still way better than Mourinho since he does not throw his players under the bus, coaches a very good press and motivates his players.

    This is what Mourinho said after the game yesterday "All Leipzig players on the bench would play in my spurs team". How motivating to his current squad, of course he has to throw his players under the bus because he is a arrogant piece of shit who never takes responsibility for his failures, but when things are going well its all him him him. Im glad karma has caught up to him after his disgraceful comments about Wenger.

    Finally a high iq post that matches my prodigal mind. Agreed with everything. Its an honor to be in the presence of someone of similar football knowledge. I agree, the best Portuguese coach right now is definitely Jorge Jesus. If he was coaching us at the euro i would be confident in us retaining the title
     
  16. SCP21

    SCP21 Member

    Jul 1, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    #16 SCP21, Mar 11, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2020
    So I guess Guardiola is probably the worst manager on the planet then eh? How many millions did he spend at City and Bayern, and he didn't win a single Champions League? Pathetic. He'll go down as the biggest embarrassment in Spain's history.

    So in your "high iq" mind (one of the embarrassing statements for anyone to make btw), not gelling with a couple attackers = failure in getting the best out of his attackers? Man, he made Postiga and McCarthy look like actually talented strikers. What about Drogba? Sneijder? Zlatan? Milito? Eto'o? Costa? Just look how much Ronaldo's game changed under Mourinho.

    Also, lol @Modric. He played the best soccer of his career under Mourinho. And where are Pogba, Martial, Cuadrado, Lukaku, and Fred now? Still under performing.

    The undeniable fact is Jose Mourinho is by far, with no one even remotely close to him, the best Portuguese manager in history. It's really not even debatable. Might as well start a thread with the sole purpose of insulting Ronaldo next.
     
  17. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    Jul 3, 2018

    Nothing wrong with being proud of my high iq. Why do people get to be proud of being a certain nationality, be proud of their son/daughters accomplishments, be proud of getting a promotion at work, yet i am berated for being proud of my high iq.

    Its hard to discuss things with someone when all they spout is lies. I guess its a Sportinguista thing as i have noticed you and mr 16 continuously post lies. Your whole third paragraph is just lies. All those players are performing really well with the exception of Pogba since he has been having many injury problems this season.

    I love how you had to go back to the stone-ages to point out attackers mourinho has made look good. Football has evolved since then, and Mourinho has stayed the same. Cappello was also once an elite coach, but where is he now.

    Your Guardiola comparsion makes no sense. It would only make sense if i called Mourinhos time at Madrid a failure, but i didnt. There he at least was a cl contender. Guardiola is one of the best coaches of all times, always dominates every league he goes too. Yes he takes the best teams and most other coaches would also win those leagues too, but its the way in which he does it. The dominance, point record totals, football being played. He gets the best out of all his players and he single handily changed the game with his tactics. Joe Martelo would understand what im talking about
     
  18. SCP21

    SCP21 Member

    Jul 1, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    SCP_16 repped this.
  19. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    Jul 3, 2018
    #19 prodigal_mind, Mar 11, 2020
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  20. SCP21

    SCP21 Member

    Jul 1, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    lol captain high iq pulling something out of nowhere, based on no evidence again. Not very clever, I'd expect someone of your intelligence level to be a touch more creative.

    Everything alright at home? First you're going on about sending nudes to Felix, now cuckolds. Your wife divorce you too?
     
  21. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    This guy is a fuckin retard. Is a shame mods don't do their jobs to band this fucking imbecile. Provides fallacy after fallacy, logic skewed beyond belief. What a fucking idiot he is.
     
  22. prodigal_mind

    prodigal_mind Member

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    Jul 3, 2018
    don’t you have more lies to post? How Dele Alli didn’t play yesterday when he did? How kdb never played in semi final. How benfica buys leagues? Go on post more lies lol

    Show me the rules iv broken btw. There is an official forum ruleset. You should be familiar with them considering the amount of times you have been banned Lol

    I’ve reported your post for ad hominem attacks including hate speech. The use of the word “retard” is very hateful and politically incorrect word . Hopefully you get “band” again
     
  23. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Im dying of laughter.

    A pretend coach talking about Mourinho as if he has a leg to stand on in any way to criticize him in respect to coaching. No shame. You clowns know he was put in charge of a team that was established under a great coach mid season?
    His mistake was taking the Spurs job, how the hell can he expect to change a team to change/play his style when they were already at the best with Pochettino? Even when he took on Man United there was red flags. Jose's problems is taking on teams that are too set in stone. He is better off taking on teams that have gutted their rosters and start from scratch.
     
  24. Joe Martelo

    Joe Martelo Member

    CDC Montalegre
    Portugal
    Sep 30, 2019
    you are incorrect , to be frank.
    I can tell from your posts you don’t know that much about the game. You probably haven’t played or coached before .
     

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