The England 'Other Sports' thread

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 9, 2016.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Logicslly he should be but openers is one of the more shallow parts of the talent pool.
     
  2. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The problem is we're effectively playing a man down. He's got six single figure scores in his last six matches, and only one half century. If he keeps on this form, then we're going to have to throw someone in at the deep end against India. This was the series to try someone else out.

    I think if Ben McKinney had finished the season well then he may have been given a shot but the rest of the realistic options have been tried (Hameed, Jennings, Lees, Burns all scored 900+ last season) and none of them are particularly quick scorers, which is what McCullum wants.
    Anything's got to be better than a walking wicket though.
     
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  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Couple of stats from the game:

    Joe Root is now the all time leading run scorer in the 4th innings of Tests

    Harry Brook has more centuries away from home than David Warner
     
  4. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    What's interesting about the last year or so is how Brydon Carse and Gus Atkinson have taken to Test cricket, despite pretty mediocre first class records.
    Their bowling style is much better suited to Test level, as opposed to county championship where medium-fast bowlers thrive. Glenn Chappell, Chris Rushworth, Sam Cook, Jamie Porter, Luke Fletcher - all bowlers who top out at the very low 80s, but take wickets for fun. They'd be eaten alive at test level.
    The shifting of the majority of championship matches to early and late in the season is only going to encourage this sort of bowling and make it harder to identify future talent.
    It's a similar position as opening bats - being able to see off lower pace, but accurate bowlers is not ideal preparation for the next level. Are we going to be relying more on pathways through the U19s and the Lions squads, and getting players included in squads who don't look impressive on paper like Jacob Bethell?
     
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  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  6. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    This seems like the sort of thing up your street Fireburn, but does anyone know why we haven’t toured South Africa for nearly five years?

    Miss playing them, stunning backdrop to watch cricket in and I always feel it’s a very good test, with SA being a fiercely proud sporting nation and usually providing a fierce pace attack.

    Getting a bit bored of always playing New Zealand. For all the talk around the big three always playing one another, it seems like NZ are the team we’ve faced most in the last five years. This is the fourth calendar year in a row we’ve played a test series against them.

    It’s also another reason I struggle to take the WTC seriously.
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    We're next due over there December 2026. By that point it will have been seven years since the last test series there. Wonder if some series got pushed back due to Covid?
     
  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #758 Fireburn47, Dec 5, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2024
    Must have been one originally due 2023/2024.

    Australia haven’t been there for Tests since Winter 2018.

    India have been there twice in that time and going again Next Christmas.
     
  9. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It's only 3 tests as well next time, with 3 ODIs and 3 T20s. They've had poor crowds for test matches for a while now. I don't think the venues have been confirmed, but I'd expect England fans to outnumber the hosts, especially at Cape Town.
     
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  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    One will be almost certainly be Centurion starting on Boxing Day and in the recent couple of years the Cape Town test has started 3rd January so that might happen again.
     
  11. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Yeah I think that's usually the best attended ground by SA fans, and I doubt there won't be one in Cape Town due to the potential away following.
    Either Kingsmead or The Wanderers for the last match.
     
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  12. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I think there were around 10,000 England fans at the last Cape Town test.
     
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  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    South Arica tests are also good to follow because them and the West Indies are the only away tests that don’t have play during sleeping hours.
     
  14. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Bloody hell. Crawley's got into double figures.
     
  15. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    And then out for 17. Both openers gone cheaply. Can Root and/or Brook rescue things again?
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    And yet the BBC preview an hour ago said Crawley’s place is not in trouble because it is just a New Zealand issue for him.
     
  17. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    He can't deal with ball movement. Anything straight, and he'll pummel it. A bit of shape or seam, and he's in trouble.
     
  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Stephan Shemilt, the BBC chief reporter, described it as "a bonkers innings". Bumrah's going to destroy him in the summer.
     
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    But that’s the case everywhere rather than being a New Zealand issue.
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    That’s the guy who said his place is not in doubt an hour ago.
     
  21. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Yeah, and that's why them sticking with him is just madness. Getting one big score every 20+ innings is not worth all the failures.
     
  22. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    He's had 37 single figure scores in 94 innings, and 14 more scores under 20. That's simply not good enough.
     
  23. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    As a comparison, Andrew Strauss had 42 single figure scores in 178 innings, and he had some periods where he really struggled.
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Root gets less than Crawley and gone for 3.
     
  25. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Root at least has a pretty good track record to fall back on. We're in trouble here though.
     

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