From another Discussion Board but well worth your time => 21st Century Reporting of the Doolittle Raid April 20, 2006: The recent anniversary of the April 18, 1942 the Doolittle raid raised the question of how the press of today might have reported on the event. At the time, the Doolittle raid, as militarily ineffective as it was, proved to be an enormously popular morale boost for the American people and their allies. However, times have changed. Here's a likely report, of the 1942 event, but as it would be reported by today's media. New York Times, April 19, 1942: "AIR RAID ON TOKYO. In what the Roosevelt Administration described as retaliation for the attack on Pearl Harbor, the United States Army Air Corps launched an attack on Tokyo from an undisclosed location. The attack, using the North American B-25 Mitchell bomber, was described as a success, even though preliminary estimates indicate that little, if any, damage was done. A statement from President Roosevelt claimed the bombers launched from Shangri-La, although informed sources tell the New York Times that there was an unusually high degree of Army-Navy cooperation in the operation…" San Francisco Chronicle, April 20, 1942: "DISASTER ON AIR RAID? Sources from inside the War Department report that nearly all of the planes failed to reach safe havens in China. These same sources report that the carrier force that was to deliver these bombers was detected by Japanese picket boats, forcing the attack to commence at least twelve hours ahead of schedule. In the ensuing skirmishes, at least three picket boats were sunk, and reports indicate at least two Navy dive-bombers were lost with their crews. No word has yet arrived on the status of the 80 Army Air Corps crew men – all of whom were said to be volunteers" The Washington Post, April 21, 1942 "AIRCREWS CAPTURED? Reports of a disastrous result appeared to be confirmed when one War Department source indicated that at least one of the aircrews has been captured by Japanese forces. The crew, said to be led by Lieutenant Dean Hallmark, and from the 95th Squadron, 17th Bombardment Group (Medium), reportedly crashed near Poyang Lake. Spokesmen from the War Department and the White House declined to comment on these reports. 'The President will make an announcement when it is safe to do so,' said another White House official. Unconfirmed reports from Russia indicate that one bomber landed there rather than ditching, and that the crew is in custody…" New York Times Editorial, April 21, 1942: "Without a doubt, the decision to risk two carriers and their escorts to launch a raid that could do so little damage can only be described as incredibly stupid. The fact that the cost of this raid included all sixteen bombers, with most of the aircrews missing, only increases the level of disaster involved. By allowing this mission to go forward, Secretary of War Stimson and Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox have shown that they lack the judgment to carry this war to victory. If they will not resign, then President Roosevelt should fire them." The Washington Post, April 25, 1942: "MOST FLIERS SAFE! Sources in China indicate that at least 60 of the fliers are receiving assistance from Chinese peasants, who are moving them westward ahead of the Japanese advance. These efforts are said to have been coordinated by the Reverend John M. Birch, an American missionary, and Tung Sheng Liu, a Chinese engineer. War Department sources would not confirm the reports from China, but there is a sense of relief that is visible among many of the high-ranking officers, including General Hap Arnold…" New York Times Editorial, June 18, 1942: "Two months ago, the Army and Navy carried out a joint mission to attack the Japanese homeland. All the B-25 bombers were lost, three men were killed, eight have been confirmed as having been captured, and while sixty-nine men made it back to friendly lines, some of them, like Lieutenant Ted Lawson, are gravely wounded. And for what? Minimal damage to Tokyo and Nagoya. One has to wonder if these bombers and their valiant crews might have done more had they been employed elsewhere. During the recent battle at Midway, these bombers could have damaged the fourth carrier, and thus, the United States Navy would still have had the Yorktown available, rather than on the bottom of the ocean…"
Doolittle is pretty incredible. It took me a solid month before I got past "Debaser," however. Every time that song finished, I just picked up the needle and moved it back to the start of the song. It took the public ten years to realize that it was a stone cold classic, but I knew that already in high school.
Jesus, Bo could you be more of a critic rock homo? I seem to recall seeing something similar to ITN's post about Pearl Harbor itself, or about something else from WWII. I imagine at least one of the papers mentioned above would have excused the Japanese actions due to our oil embargo of them at the time...
I was into that album back when it came out in '89 but music has progressed since then. It's an ok album but nothing special. By the way, the musical tasts of bigsoccer - if the music forum is any indication - is standard alt/rock formula. Honestly Sonic Youth is not a great band and anyone who thinks they are probably hasn't been exposed to alot of music. But then again, the politcal views are no better. Both the left and right of bigsoccer are so laughably absurd that it's not worth my time anymore, and I barely have enough time to write this post.
Yeah, but you also worship at the altar of New Order, who are okay enough but who also very much sound like their era. I would have mentioned Sleater-Kinney or the Arcade Fire, but neither of them have released a record called "Doolittle." Sonic Youth have released both great and terrible records, and I haven't followed them for at least a decade, but their best records are fantastic. They're better than, say, Clan of Xymox. And I'm fine with standard alt/rock formula. I like what I like. Ever visit an audiophile message board? Now *there's* some bad taste for you, unless you consider mid-80s Beatle solo albums, the Moody Blues, and the Alan Parsons Project to be representative of genius.
New Order are one of the most influential bands in the history of music, pushing dance music to new heights and equally as important as a guitar based band. Everyone rips off Peter Hooks bass. They spent as much time on New Order during PBS's 'History of Rock N Roll' as they did the Beatles. Moby, The Chemical Brothers, Billy Corgan, the Killers, Gwen Stefani and countless others have said New Order was a major influence. That said, I havn't listened to New Order in forever. Sleater Kinney have named New order an influence. By and large, both Sleater and Arcade of Fire are mediocre. It's laughable that an adult would listen to either of those bands....and in general they don't, outside of bigsoccer. Xymox and Sonic Youth are both irrelavent. You should never be allowed to talk about music again.
No argument re: their influence, but it's pointless to argue in favor of New Order's influence while dismissing the Pixies, whose influence was at least as large (on Nirvana, Radiohead, Weezer, and Blur, to name just a few). But now, at least, I know who to blame for the ascendency of that talentless, nasal, tone-deaf idiot, Gwen Stefani. New Order may have influenced her to some degree, but her biggest influence is clearly pitch-correction software. SK are the best band together right now, bar none. What, pray tell, do adults listen to? Gwen Stefani? Sorry if I offended you with my crack about the Alan Parsons Project and the Moody Blues.
I don't like most of that stuff either, I was merely pointing out New Order has influenced several different genres of pop music. The Pixies are more of a cult type thing, no way does their influence on pop music today come close to rivaling New Order's. By the way, Radio does a cover of New Order's "Procession". And this thread proves that both the right and the left of bigsoccer know crap about music. Sleater Kinney? Are you ********ing kidding me? And Sachin I can only assume you listen to crap music too based on your post.
Ted thinks that "Scanners" was the best movie in history, and I can only suspect that his taste in music runs in the same direction
Of course it is... we all know the Princess Bride is the greatest movie of all time, followed closely by Rashomon. Sachin