The Did you know thread. Uselss, but Fascinating historical facts and stories)

Discussion in 'History' started by Excape Goat, Jan 2, 2006.

  1. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    I mentioned the words 'non-native' when talking about the Chinese. It's in a bookcalled 1421 by Gavin Menzies or someone. Good book as well.

    Fact:

    French revolutionary Jean-Paul Marat had terrible psoriosis, and he was sitting in a cold bath to soothe the itching when he was murdered.

    Leon Trotsky's last book was an unfinished critique on Stalinism. It is unfinished as the only draft is illeligable due to the amount of blood soaked up by the paper when he was murdered (he was working on it at the time of the attack).

    US political philosopher Thomas Paine was born in Britain.

    Stalin was 'Tom Cruise sized'-only 5 foot 4 inches.

    Leonardo Da Vinci had a lute in the shape of a horses skull made of silver.
     
  2. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    You are right. I think the Von Battenbergs are cousins of the British Royal family. Anyway, most the Royal houses in Europe were Germans. The Romanovs in Russia is known to marry German princesses. Thus, Nicholas II was liked 1/240th Russian and the rest were mostly Germans.

    One of the current Russian pretender to the Russian throne is actually a member of the Hohenzollerns, the German imperial house. His mother Marie married a Hohenzollerns to ensure that her descendants remained imperial. It was not the first time that the Romanovs and the Hohenzollerns married each other. The sister of Grand Vildmir(Maria's father and once the pretender to the Russian throne)was married the German pretender to the throne.


    I read the book, but it was only a claim by author. However, a DNA testing of the Maori discovered that many of them had Chinese ancestors. They believed the Maoi raided the Chinese settlements and took all the women.
     
  3. art

    art Member

    Jul 2, 2000
    Portland OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're not. But no one was talking about those other groups, were they?

    And yeah, it does sound a little antisemitic to say that. To me. Sorry, but it does.
     
  4. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    Wouldn't surprise me that. The Maori have had a war-like reputation, and I have met a few. Effing huge people on the whole. Rather strange, but New Zealand has loads of Japanese/Chinese/Korean people or people of that descent. Auckland city centre is stuffed full with them !.
     
  5. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    The Marquis De Sade got arrested for masturbating into a chalice in a church.

    Books that mixed the philosophy of Rousseau, Voltaire etc. and hardcore pornography were very popular in pre-Revolutionary France.
     
  6. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    (Where did the Maori come from?)
     
  7. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    They're Polynesian.
     
  8. Mountainia

    Mountainia Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Section 207, Row 7
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Why do claim that only the "Jewish People" are the only one who can carry "the banner of the oppressed?" I've never heard anyone who is Jewish make this claim.

    Why do you even think an entire group of people feel the same way about things?

    Why do you think the Jewish community is not taking the "scares of the holocaust" and using them to be active in preventing future genocides?

    You make several unsupported logical leaps, none of which paint a very good picture of "the Jewish People", and none of which are even true.

    This is from the Jewish Anti-Defamation League website:

    "The immediate object of the League is to stop, by appeals to reason and conscience and, if necessary, by appeals to law, the defamation of the Jewish people. Its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens."
    ADL Charter 1913

    Notice the part about 'any sect or body of citizens?'

    I hope you are trying to raise the profile of other genocides. You don't need to denigrate a group that has experienced one to do so, however.

    I think you might be getting at the fact that the Genocide of the Jews during WWII gets much more press. It may be for several reasons you haven't mentioned:
    1) They were European. Our country is much more connected to European politics and economics than other parts of the world, especially in the 1940's.
    2) The victims were relatively wealthy. Compared to the other genocides you mentioned, the Jews in Europe during WWII had the same living standards as Americans, and many similar cultural backgrounds.
    3) We fought in that war, and on that front. Many of the others you mentioned were outside the sphere of influence of the United States.
     
  9. Paddy31

    Paddy31 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Pukekohe, NZ
    The Maori, who are Polynesians, were the first inhabitants of New Zealand, and are thought to have arrived in New Zealand more than 1000 years ago in double-hulled waka (canoe), from islands in Eastern Polynesia (Hawaiki). Maori settled on both main islands of New Zealand and named the country Aotearoa (Land of the Long White Cloud).
     
  10. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Carbonated drinks were invented by Englishman Joseph Priestley, who is also famous for being the first to isolate oxygen (although he didn't really know it at the time) and for being the first to recognize that plants were an important part in the cycle that made air breathable for people. He was also a failed preacher, a Unitarian who was often denounced in the House of Commons, was burned out of house and home by an angry mob, and eventually moved to Pennsylvania where he was a aquainted with a number of luminaries including Adams and Jefferson.
     
  11. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Yep, at the Battle of Mobile Bay. I've read my Shelby Foote.

    ;)
     
  12. Paddy31

    Paddy31 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Pukekohe, NZ
    Sorry to be picky, but I think that the Gavin Menzies book has been strongly criticised for a lack of evidence for his assertions. I believe that his arguments are interesting, but not proven.

    He has been widely debunked for example by Nistory News Network, an organ of George Mason University.

    http://hnn.us/articles/1308.html

    "Historians range from dismissive to troubled regarding Menzies' determinations.

    "He has not, unfortunately, discovered anything new," Chinese historian Louise Levathes told Salon.com. "What he's done is to present it in a jumbled manner so you have no idea what's going on and what the time frames are."

    Other experts were taking a wait-and-see attitude. "There's a definite logic to his analysis," Phillip Sadler, a celestial navigation expert at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, told Space.com."
    From the CNN review of 1421.

    The book is an interesting read though and well worth the time I took reading it.

    And I was being somewhat facetious with the non-native Maori comment. Sorry about that.

    Historical fact: Richard I (the Lionheart), may have been gay. He was twice ordered to do a public penance for sodomy.
     
  13. Hrvat

    Hrvat New Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Zagreb, Croatia
    Well, Nikola Tesla is one of the greatest inventors of the 20th century.
     
  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    He was born in what is now Croatia, but he was ethnically Serbian. His father was a Serbian-Orthodox priest.

    Tesla worked for Edison, before the fact that Tesla's ideas about electricity were useful and Edison's were crap drove them apart. Tesla was also interested in poetry, was terrible with finances, and once was certain that he was receiving signals from another planet.
     
  15. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    The leading cause of death for unmarried women in the American West during the late 1800s was drug overdose.
     
  16. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Laudanum?
     
  17. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean the shortest WAR on record (and you are correct).

    Plenty of short battles and skirmishes have lasted only a few minutes.
     
  18. Hrvat

    Hrvat New Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Zagreb, Croatia
    I know. Doesn't matter anyway, Tesla said it all with his famous saying: I'm pride of my Croatian homeland and my Serbian heritage.
     
  19. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

    CanPL
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
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    FC Edmonton
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    Canada
    Would've been 'House of Mountbatten' if Lord Louis hadn't opened his big mouth.
     
  20. megamac20817

    megamac20817 Member+

    Jul 9, 2005
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    In the middle of the XIXth century, the Franco-British blockade of Buenos Aires was ended after the blockading armada was led up the Parana and destroyed by shore cannons and by the Argentine fleet.

    The Argentine Fleet was comprised almost entirely of River Boats.
     
  21. dmar

    dmar Member

    Jan 21, 2002
    Madrid, Spain
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    The concept of a "car for the people" was Hitler's, and it's beleived that he gave some further directions to designer Ferdinand Porsche.
     
  22. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    At the time when prince Harry dressed up as a Nazi for some costume party, and they did street interviews to ask what the average Briton thought of that, one guy replied: "Well, he is German, after all". :D
     
  23. HeadHunter

    HeadHunter Member

    May 28, 2003

    Obviously not valuing his sources or the exact claim that he earlier posted, but a different version of this claim that I have seen in at least one serious history suggested that part of Balfour's rationale for the declaration was his belief in a worldwide Jewish power that he could appeal to. I can't find the source now, but I think this claim was made in A Peace to end all Peace.

    Anyone ever come accross this varient before?
     
  24. Khansingh

    Khansingh New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    The Luton Palace
    The Texians revolted against Mexican authority because the government was about to outlaw slavery.

    President Woodrow Wilson suffered a massive stroke in 1919. For the last sixteen months of his term, his wife Edith Bolling Galt Wilson restricted almost all access to him and determined which issues needed his attention and which to defer to the cabinet. Thus, she was the de facto co-President of the United States.
     
  25. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Completely false. Slavery was already outlawed when Austin received his first land grant.
     

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