The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

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  1. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

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    There's a serious problem with Dem staffers on this sort of thing. It's also why Dems need to start punching the radical set hard.
     
  2. ceezmad

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  3. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
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    Absolutely no pity party “make a place for her”bullshit for AG. Oh…and Kamala ********ing lost. ******** her.

    The new AG needs to be a complete asshole. And they must commit to bringing indictments to Trump coconspirators who he’s pardoned on the grounds that it is a self pardon. And we need solicitor general who will make the argument in front of scotus that if they don’t limit the ability of the president to pardon coconspirators they’ll end up with two in the back of the head and the assassins will be pardoned.
     
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  4. spejic

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    The thing is - I honestly believe she is one. Her bad qualities in the campaign came from her not listening to the point of being offended by someone questioning her. That's not a bad trait for the job that needs to be done.
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
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  6. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    Sorry I couldn't hear you over all the slobbering appeasement of the past decade by Neoliberal, Corporate owned Democrats.
     
  7. Quakes05

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    Who do you think is going to save this country from fascism? The socialists? Dude.
     
  8. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    Last time it was the Communists that beat the Fascists.
     
  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Corporate Dems!
     
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  10. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    You realize you live in MAGA America, right?
     
  11. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    And it's a little less like Nazi Germany than people think.

    I think it's more like Tsarist Russia.

    25-30 percent of the workforce is underemployed. Think about that for a minute or two.
     
  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Let's have a conscious uncoupling from it then. It's a force for evil.
     
  13. bigredfutbol

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    You know, quite a few young progressives did the pragmatic thing and voted for Biden in 2020 because they hoped he would at least hold Trump accountable for his crimes. How did that work out?
     
  14. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    Socialists hate "establishment" corporate Dems.
     
  15. superdave

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    It happened to Walz too

     
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  16. Quakes05

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    Biden was a disappointment. Better than fascism but that's a low bar. Young people have a right to be pissed off, frustrated, etc., but the fact remains, the only hope we have for slowing the march of the fascists is a landslide win for Democrats, from coast-to-coast, this Nov and Nov 2028, if we make it that far.
     
  17. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    This is correct. Doesn't mean we won't vote for them. Establishment Corporate Democrats are reaching a point where they might start losing elections if they can't appeal to Socialists.

    Mamdani beat a Republican PLUS a Corporate Dem candidate heads up. Obviously a city is not a state, but the point remains. Why not try having the type of people who usually get their way in the Democratic party have to hold their nose and vote for a Socialist?

    At this point Socialist policies have a much better chance of getting people who voted for Trump to flip and vote Blue than trotting out more Hakim Jeffries or Chuck Schumer types. Watch the Texas race with Talarico (currently with a 9 point lead over Crockett) and watch the Maine race with Platner (polls have Platner up by 15). Both progressive/socialist types running in states that aren't Democratic Strongholds.

    You can't beat Coke in Georgia by selling Diet Pepsi.
     
  18. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    For the record I didn't hate Biden. He was better on Labor than any Democrat in my lifetime. Returned a sense of dignity and normalcy. Not advancing the agenda I think this country needs, but that doesn't mean I couldn't see the positives.

    However, he should have stepped aside and there should have been an open primary. There was no ability for the party to discuss issues and we got whatever the Corporate Donors wanted and it cost Kamala the election. Not listening to younger voters was a mistake. Being the establishment party supporting a genocide and doing nothing to differentiate herself from Trump? That delivered the election to Trump. While sure it lost her some votes from the Left flank, it also had her perform worst amongst the youth for a Democrat since Reagan. And those voters could have been won and we know it by how much of Gen Z has flipped in their approval for Trump. Those were easy pickings.

    That single decision of Biden's which prevented an open primary based in hubris delivered Trump 2.0. Bernie Bros are much derided around here, but I think Bernie's campaign is going to be viewed in a similar lens to Barry Goldwater's campaign in that it massively impacted American electoral politics-->the effect was just delayed.
     
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  19. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    I know "supporting a genocide" was big time animating issue, still is. I understand that one too. I just think it was wholly unrealistic to expect Biden to withdraw support for Israel at that critical moment, or at any time really. That's not how that relationship works.
     
  20. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    That's not how it HAS worked. At the end of the day, Foreign Policy choices have largely been kept out of the US Public's hands. That doesn't mean it HAS to work like that forever. Trump can decide to leave NATO, but the American Public can't decide to abandon Israel?

    I know what you mean and I acknowledge what you are saying, but it really is different with the youth. We saw a live-streamed genocide combined with recognizing how ingrained Israeli propaganda is ingrained in American culture to enforce the relationship. There's no going back for some of us. No matter how much of the media Larry Ellison wants to buy.
     
  21. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    It was bonkers to think Biden could've withheld arms shipments to Israel after 10/7. Any time really but especially then. If the kids couldn't support Kamala because she was too closely aligned with genocide Joe, can they really complain about Trump?
     
  22. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    See and this is the central problem. We live in a Democracy. If there are no options available from either party then what happens?

    Obviously Trump wasn't going to be any better than Kamala to the seasoned political observer. Gen Z aren't seasoned political observers. He had the upside of being the unknown candidate who was saying no more wars, I'll be the President of Peace, etc. Kamala cost herself votes from the Left and young votes that went to Trump by ignoring what was a massive generational divide issue.

    I think a better strategy moving forward is to have older Democrats be holding their nose when they vote instead of asking people under the age of 40 to do so. Just seems to be the best policy considering we should after all be listening to people who have the biggest stake in the future of the country, rather than 80 plus year old billionaires like Larry Ellison.
     
  23. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    Should've been common sense that we needed to do everything humanly possible to get Kamala across the line if we consider ourselves to be left wing. There were only two choices, and one was completely god awful. I mean we had four years of that shit already and an insurrection. Gen Z maybe need to pull their heads out of their asses, just sayin'. Sorry, you're being honest and it is interesting to get your take. The kids want change, radical change, I get it. Maybe we need to think of this in stages. Join the Dems, stop fascism...and then revolution time. :)
     
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  24. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

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    Jul 30, 2007
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    The Senate GOP had a chance to convict him after January 6 but didn’t. They also had a chance to convict him during the 1st impeachment hearings.

    There’s some things that Biden could’ve done better but let’s not act like he was the only chance to hold Trump accountable. There were many factors at play including a judge, a cowardly GOP, and a Supreme Court overtaken by a crazed GOP.

    Young progressives were also yelling at Biden for not being progressive enough either. Even though he did things like march with a union.
     
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