The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

You should know all about that.

This time last year, I was the same poster I am now, but YOU spent many posts engaging me about "catastrophizing" and belching about how you were part of the "reality based community". You repeatedly replied to my posts concerning race by posting images of people crying. You enjoyed and helped continue the exchanges to the point where Yoshou and Dark Knight got involved and threatened both of us. I told them to let us fight, and I know you did, too. You gave as much as you took.

And then Trump won.

11/5 crushed any argument you'll ever be able to make on that topic, so you put me on ignore. instead of accepting that this was and will continue to be a learning experience for you, you put me on ignore.

You put ME on ignore because YOU learned on 11/5 and are STILL learning things I grew up knowing and speaking about from experience. Your Pollyanna Sunshine upbringing became MY fault. You're not just a loser, you're a sore loser.

I'm-a say this every time you speak disparagingly about me. We both wish you had an argument, trust me. Thing is, I've always known you didn't.

 

I've mentioned before that the wrong kind of rhetoric can be offputting to swing voters. I've also mentioned before that talking like a grad student is offputting for a reason. Not putting things like birthing person in official Dem policies, not saying stuff like "folkx." Not talking like that Onion video involving the Trump voter and queer feminist theory.

Problem is people (Including on here) think cleaning up language equals throwing minorities under the bus when it's far from the case. The way people acted out about the Third Way memo a while back, when really it was just them saying, "Speak plain English". As much as people complain about Clinton's Sister Souljah moment, there's a reason he pointed out that her rhetoric would be a problem.

As for candidates and their gender, hard to tell given that it's Trump two women lost against. Hillary had years of baggage but was also popular with people who went to Republicans in 2024. Harris, in retrospect might have not been it. There's a reason she dropped out in 2020. Other thing is Trump just draws out people who might not be voting otherwise. But I do think that for the foreseeable future, it's probably going to be someone like Beshear or Pritzker.

 

Pretty much.

 

@Kazuma youve referenced Sistah Souljah a few times, but you were too young to fully experience that event. The current narrative only tells half the story.

The one half is, she said something awful and Clinton called her out on it.

The part that’s been forgotten is that Clinton did it in such a way as to humiliate Jesse Jackson. Jackson had IIRC been the #2 vote getter in the 1988 primaries, and had run a decent race in 1984. White people were scared of him and his influence within the party. Clinton neutralized that. That, plus Clinton making sure Arkansas executed a retarded man, showed him to be a different kind of Democrat.

The two things he did to show he was acceptable say a lot about America. None of it good.

 

You leave out that Jackson had her as a guest at a Rainbow Coalition dinner. And Clinton rightfully called that out. Clinton easily understood that voters would associate what she said with Dems if it wasn't addressed.

 

Speaking of which, Jimmy Kimmel's show has been pulled because of his opinion on the Charlie Kirk situation. Cancel culture has revved up and media corporations are currying favor with the fascists.

 

Huh? I mentioned it directly.

 

Rector committed the murder while normal. He tried to commit suicide, but lived. His conditions were due to the failed suicide. I never voted for Bill Clinton, but I agreed with him here.

 

Disagree. Trump does not have charisma in the classical sense. He is not an inspirational speaker (and I'm putting this mildly), he is not good-looking, he has no significant achievements. Actually, on a personal level, he is simply disgusting.

Trump's appeal relies on something else: his willingness to bully, insult and terrorize other people. He is the first politician willing to do that, at least to the extreme level that Trump does. Since there are a lot of assholes in any society, the spectacle of whoever pissed you off at some point or whatever caused you some grievance being ground into dust is the greatest aphrodisiac. Nothing else comes even close.

Trump's appeal is the appeal of the mob boss who gives you license to destroy your annoying neighbor who has done better than you. You see this often in areas controlled by drug cartels. Now we see it at the level of the whole United States. Some white guy lost a job offer in favor of a more qualified black or woman? Down with the DEI! The factory your dad worked for closed and can't find work? Down with the immigrants who take jobs from honest Americans! The Bible says gays are evil because your local pastor told you so? Down with the gays too!

In addition, there is also his unlimited willingness to lie. If the voters expect prices to go down or to end the war in Ukraine in a foreseeable timeframe, there is nothing truthful that can be said to such people. They just don't understand economics or foreign policy. That leaves the field open to people like Trump, who are too dishonest even for the mob to do business with them.

For instance, a lot of people were fired over saying bad things about Kirk have been doxxed and reported to their employers by other Americans. In other words, the US has now a class of professional informants.

 

No, you didn’t. Reread what I wrote.

 

Harris being very risk adverse didn't help her during the short campaign, she ran like she was ahead in the polls.

"Kamala Harris passed on her top choice for a running mate—Pete Buttigieg—because it would've been “too big of a risk” for a Black woman to run with a gay man,"

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She was probably right on that decision, but that with her not doing many long form interviews hurt.

 

She was absolutely positively right on that decision. If Pete had been on the ticket it would have been a landslide.

 

Nice sign seen in the massive anti-Macron demonstrations today in Paris:



For those who slept during their history lessons, 1789 obviously refers to the French Revolution. The next picture is more explicit :

 

Well, if you say so, but I would not consider appealing to people by behaving the same way as a mob boss does to be "charisma".
And I disagree about your assessment about the other politicians. No other politician has been willing to sic the whole federal apparatus on entire categories of people, openly and blatantly and with such contempt for any norms and decorum.

 

I did see someone posted this graph regarding why Pete does bad with black voters, it looks like it started when he ran for reelection at South Bend.

Do you know if Pete come out while he was the Mayor or before?

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Wikipedia says he came out in 2015, but was mayor from 2012-2020. Thus, he came out while he was mayor but was reelected nonetheless.