The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

Yes I see. That makes him even more dangerous then.

 

If Bannon and Miller had their way there'd be mass graves all over the place already. And the media wouldn't be able to talk about it

 

Apologies if you’ve already answered this one

Is there any democratic nation that you would classify as socialist? Like, is Norway socialist? I think that’s the most socialist Scandanavian nation because of the oil money. Is Canada?

 

No. The more socialist that you are as a country because of attacks from capital and Western powers the more undemocratic you kind of have to be at the moment. Cuba is probably one of the least democratic countries on the planet. It does however have one of the highest literacy rates, doctors per capita, and historically doesn't have any homelessness. I'd rather live in Cuba before I'd live in Israel as a Palestinian. If globally every country followed Norway's suit and nationalized resource extracting companies and shared the benefits amongst its people, yes we would be living in a better world and a more Socialist world.

I think that true Socialism with Democracy is mostly impossible at the moment under the current global distribution of power. Until Capital is flattened and well regulated by the state, it will continue to exert its influence on Democracies across the globe. Obviously countries with robust social safety nets like Norway/Canada are preferable to situations like what we've seen the United States devolve into. Socialism to me is a higher form of society that kind of depends on advancements in technology that reduce the need for human labor, as well as accessible education to all. Consider the failed socialist projects that we've seen in the 20th century as a a comparison point to early Capitalism that had slave/child labor. Additionally in order to ensure Capitalism success, things like Racism were invented (yes modern Racism was an invention of Capitalism and I will die on this hill).

The conclusion of the colonists after the Bacon Rebellion was to bring over more slaves from Africa and make sure that society was harshly drawn along racial lines. And if you study America's history we can see time and time again how Racism is used as a political tool of Capital. There are many examples, but a recent famous one would be Ronald Reagan talking about black welfare queens. The Drug War was started to disenfranchise African American men, break up the white labor and black alliances that were forming and then by the time Reagan comes around with all of the single mothers caused by the higher than average drug incarcerations it was used as an excuse to destroy the social safety net, ya dig?

I think if a government is going to be undemocratic, I would rather it be oriented in a Socialist manner, rather than a Capitalist one. For example, American Corporations are inherently authoritarian in their organization and structure. Is China's style of government where they advance people up the chain based on achievement any different than the way people get promoted at Fortune 500 companies? Could it be a better way of governance than Democracy allowing for longer term planning and efficiency? Peter Thiel would have our government oriented like that, he famously doesn't like Democracy. He's probably looking at the Chinese model and realizing that America's biggest weakness is Democracy because of its inability to efficiently long term plan and implement policy. Socialism would be the only way to make sure that our government under such conditions was actively trying to meet the needs of all, instead of the needs of Capital. Again, still a hierarchy, but what type of behavior are we incentivizing?

Again, I don't hate Capitalism. I think that it will grow to be an outdated system as human society progresses. Especially if the climate crisis continues to worsen. In that case, we may need some very real constraints on human activity (energy use, transportation, etc) that would be better served under a Socialist model so that everyone is sacrificing equally, rather than the current model *take a look at how many private jets are in the air at given moment for example*. We might reach a point where how many children you are able to have is restricted based on a change in livable land, resources, etc.

Five questions I have for you that hit at similar notes: If America cared about Democracy and Human Rights instead of just using it as an excuse for regime change why doesn't it install a new regime in Saudi Arabia? Can you name a single Socialist country that has enjoyed a similar economic relationship with the United States to the one we have with Saudi Arabia? Does every country have to be oriented as a Democracy in order to provide a high standard of living to its people or to be considered a good place to live for the majority of people? If you went behind a veil of ignorance where you could end up being anybody in the country would you rather live in India or China? Have their been more Socialists regimes ended by CIA led coups/assassinations or have Socialist countries committed more regime change via coups/assassinations globally?


Sidenote: I made a comment a few months ago about South Korea and Japan being colonies of the US and people gave me some pushback and ridicule. Well? If you click on the link below you'll see a Japanese government official making the same observation addressing the Prime Minister directly. By the way I don't use Chat.GPT to write these and if you have a suspicion that I do, you could easily check.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageC...nese_politician_says_the_quiet_part_out_loud/

 

I hate to go full Hegel but the demise of neo-liberalism is written right into the code of capitalism. It was always inevitable that Techno-Feudalism was going to win out in the end.

 

You're not planning on attending the World Cup, are you. Because this passage will get you put back on the plane and sent home.

 

Hmm... not sure it was inevitable.

It was inevitable with the sort of low quality politicos we've been having for the past few decades. IMO if they'd actually responded to issues of inequality and failure of governance instead of trying to convince us that everything was fine and there was 'nothing to see here', the situation might have been recovered.

 

People seem to neglect the fact that Millennials happen to be the most educated generation in the country, while being the one who has been hit the hardest by the descent into Fascism. I was born in 90. I remember what the world used to be like. I was a Freshman in college taking business ethics courses when the 2008 crash hit. My entire working life has been in this zombified economy. The Obama years in retrospect feel like a huge lie. And to have most of the country join in on this MAGA train that is very clearly most about protecting white supremacy on the lower end and the Elites way of life on the higher end, can you blame us for not wanting to go back to Neoliberalism? We were raised to live in a multi-cultural world where we accept everyone. As we've seen our entire generation struggle can you blame us for beginning to care about the exploitation central to Capitalism?

On occasion I run into someone I grew up with at the gym. Him and his wife are both school teachers and they have three children. The second pregnancy resulted in twins. We've kind of developed a nice gym relationship and have some good talks. He told me when he found out he was having twins that he sunk into a year and a half long depression because he was so concerned about how he could afford to provide for those children. And we see the Boomers take zero responsibility for how warped this country has become and how much it continues to cater to their needs. By far just the most selfish generation in the history of the planet. It isn't a healthy or a natural balance of power. We've seen the world go downhill from our childhoods and we've been the ones bearing the brunt of the damage.

Healthcare is the largest employer in 38 states.

 

Boomer Dems are the worst! Who needs those selfish bastards? They have failed the millennials spectacularly! We should definitely blame them. Who cares if they spent their entire adult political lives supporting and fighting for things like the environment, less guns, women's rights, gay rights, minority rights across the board, affordable healthcare, social safety net services, and so on (you know, the stuff most millennials also care about), and who cares if they weren't the ones who voted for maga, trump, project2025, fascism and all the ridiculousness in the White House today.

You're going to need the boomers if you want to stop this descent into fascism, you do realize this, right?

 

^^^ I rest my case.

 

It's a weak case sorry, doesn't account for actual politics in this country and how they work.

 

Correction: they spent the first decade or so of their adult lives fighting for that. Once they had said rights and money, they burned the ladder behind them and buried future generations in the ashes and found more crap to throw on them until they only just had their heads above the mush.

 

You're a boomer, right? Are you speaking for yourself?

 

I'm fairly positive I'm one of the youngest people posting in PCE.

 

Ahh, okay...well, then to hell with the boomers, off you go.

 

I don't think you were picking up what I was putting down. If that's all you took away from what I said, you kind of proved my point.

 

This is just recycled old Bernie Bros stuff. Those guys hated us old boomers too. Then they couldn't find much enthusiasm for Hillary, Trump won and we were well on our way to seeing everything us old boomer Dems had fought for systematically dismantled. And here we are again, young radicals would rather fight with their elders than take on fascism.