The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    What we have to remember, is that until 5 seconds ago, the White House is not privy to the details of ongoing investigations.

    So I suspect @Tribune is correct that Biden simply did not know about it. What he could have done though, is made it a political priority, which might have forced Garland to brief Congress for example. That is why it has blown up now. It was an electoral priority and Congress is focussing on it.

    Garland will go down as the weakest AG ever.
     
  2. Naughtius Maximus

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    Like I say, it's obviously possible but it's not like the right wasn't making it a story which was damaging to the dems.

    I just think they thought they were likely to win so why cause a problem when it didn't matter any more. When they hadn't released any material in the 4 years before and Biden was behind and stood down, Harris was still looking pretty good in the polls, so again, why throw a hand grenade into the proceedings...

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    But I think the plain truth is we just don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe we never will.
     
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  3. superdave

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    I can’t think of an AG who has done more damage to America, so by ethical systems that are based solely on outcomes, 0% on intentions, he’s the worst AG we’ve ever had.
     
  4. Tribune

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    That is not actually true. Everyone knew in the spring that Biden was in trouble. That is why they scheduled the unusual early debate: they hoped Biden would look well enough to restore confidence in his leadership, while Trump would make a fool of himself.

    Come on, Naughtius, is this the first time you see the Democrats blunder? These guys fail to properly investigate and prosecute a coup attempt.
     
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  5. Naughtius Maximus

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    Well, the poll overview I posted showed Biden was narrowly under water when Harris took over so, fair enough. They knew they were in trouble.

    But that wouldn't necessarily mean launching a hand grenade into the run-up to the elections and destroying everyone involved, however tangential. More so if they could have done it 4 years earlier.

    That's the other area that's interesting in terms of conspiracy theories... that Epstein died while Trump was in the WH so if anyone's to be a suspect in his alleged 'murder', it's not a democrat.

    BTW, in passing, caught this on bluesky...

    https://bsky.app/profile/golikehellmachine.com/post/3m5hxn6oi7s2v

    Don't know anything about the guy but probably worth bearing in mind if true. Clinton might have nothing to fear from the Epstein files.
     
  6. Belgian guy

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    His sweetheart deal cannot be explained away by mere incompetence.
    One of the many things that is still underreported on are the exact circumstances that made Acosta arrive at what ended up being a 13 month sentence for child prostitution. A sentence that was even more of a joke that it sounds, since he was allowed to spend business hours at an office (of a company he dissolved immediately after his prison sentence ended).
     
  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  8. Naughtius Maximus

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    That's why I say that something doesn't add up here.

    It doesn't mean it's a vast conspiracy like a bad thriller, but the story doesn't really hang together unless there are a few people with influence who didn't want the guy put under excessive pressure.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Right but that deal was done by the US Attorney in the southern district of Florida during the late Bush days

    I could fully believe a local field office doing such a deal for corrupt reasons

    I don't believe Garland would hush up the Epstein files 'because Dem donors" many years later
     
  10. ElNaranja

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    So ummm....is this where we talk about, and wonder if anyone is going to ask, those 8 traitors that allowing Senators to sue the government for following the law in obtaining a warrant is now punishable for up to $500K a pop from the Treasury?

    Is someone going to ask about how Congress is paid for the year but f*** all else is?

    Is someone going to ask them how any of this forces King Orange Man to give food to hungry people, when at a whim he can cut it off?

    Can they name a single positive thing they got out of this? One thing?
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Worth remembering, he was indicted by US A Berman in SDNY during the Trump presidency.

    So it seems 'influence' wasn't able to stop the FBI investigating and indicting what they had. The most likely reason no one else got indicted is SDNY couldn't make a case. Unless we are supposed to believe Garland was the guy protecting everyone
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    Marcy points out dems need to take a page from the true crime conspiracy play book here

    Flooding the zone is what matters - this is political and not a court of law.

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  13. russ

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    Another traditionalist who didn't realize we were dealing with literal fascism.Hes not alone.
     
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  14. Naughtius Maximus

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    Well, conspiracy theories can only take us so far but, as someone else said...
    Oh... it was you :eek: :D

    Yeah, I think concentrating purely on legal matters is completely missing the point.

    This has always been mainly about the politics and the appearance. The actual criminality involved, whilst obviously important, isn't the real story.

    It's not the real story in much the same way that freedom of speech in the states isn't purely about speech in the sense of whether what someone says might have consequences that can't be directly attributed to any specific statements.

    That was the issue when DTH spent weeks saying the 2020 election had been 'stolen'... that people should turn up for what was normally just a routine democratic procedure that almost nobody attended, (it was going to 'be wild', etc.)... then gave a speech saying the crowd should march on the capital buildins, later saying they needed to fight 'otherwise you won't have a country any more'. Despite all that US law said he was completely innocent of any wrongdoing.

    Most of this isn't about the law... it's about the politics of it.
     
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  15. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    This is the first I've heard of him and hopefully -- though I know it isn't going to happen -- it will be the last.
     
  16. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    One of my friends has a master's in aeronautical engineering. He found out that someone in a university in China had literally taken his thesis and put their name on it and claimed it as their own. This apparently happens all the time.
     
  17. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    I love John Lurie. His series "Fishing with John" and "Painting with John" are awesome. Also made some great music withe Lounge Lizards.
     
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  18. Sufjan Guzan

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    Tu Quoque Fallacy
     
  19. rslfanboy

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    Did you read the rest of my post? :D

    I guess I shouldn’t have said anything, because the rest was taken in a direction I wasn’t going by tribune too.

    Oh well.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    yeah it has to be kept in mind DOJ is not monolithic.

    Florida in 2008 is completely different to Bermans SDNY a decade later is different to main justice.
     
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  21. Naughtius Maximus

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    Not sure you get a say, mate.
     
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  22. soccernutter

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    I'll take your Garland, and raise you a Bondi.
     
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  23. Val

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    Well, whoever Trump picks is going to be the Worst Whatever. Because competency isn't the issue. Its how fawning they are to Trump or how they compare to the MAGA feminine ideal.
     
  24. soccernutter

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    You can't? I can think of 2 off the top of my head.

    Yeah, Garland didn't prosecute Trump, and in that respect he failed. But he also went after and got convictions for how many hundreds of J6 people? And remember that he got convictions for seditious conspiracy for some as well.
     
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  25. soccernutter

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    Bill Barr didn't fit the MAGA feminine ideal. ;)
     

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