The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

Sure thing. Let's do this.

Some have jobs that are kinda important. Others are too poor to just walk away from. Some are too scared. Others apathetic. Also different cultures handle things differently. We aren't South Korea so it takes a different strategy.

We took up arms against the Brits and they were ok for another couple centuries. We ended up ok during that time, too. Violence /= dictatorship. Not always anyways.

Is that the Colin Farrell movie? If so I think I remember seeing the trailers for it.

Resistance takes many shapes and we all have roles to play. There may come a day when I end up on the streets marching with others. Until then, I'll keep on doing what I can do to keep folk alive.

 

Source/link?

What about people in Wales? Are they doing enough?

Guys, I think he’s working on a poli sci paper in which he tries to determine how much insanity folks in a message board will tolerate.

 

You will regret your support for Donald Trump one day.

 

Which does then beg the question of what is the strategy? Hopefully it's not the strategy of Ned Flanders's parents.

 

Without some political leadership it's hard to think of anything other than marching up and down on the street and even that seems unlikely to work.

I suppose individuals could refuse to pay that portion of the tax that goes to the federal government. Not sure how effective that would be.

 

And by extension you’re obviously doing more than your fair share.

 

Trusting horses is iffy...as in no good. Have faith in pony only!

 

I'd put more than "somewhat" on them. Given the reality of the US, a national leader is required to get things moving for such a resistance. It could be an outsider like Dr King but more likely to require the national Democratic apparatus to pull it off.

Given the people in charge, 0% chance of that happening right now.

There has to be a change in leadership at the national Dems, otherwise said outsider will be fighting both parties for change. And we don't have time for that.

 

I mean, their actual job title is 'democratic LEADERSHIP'. You'd have thought the clue's in the name, wouldn't yer.

 

Whatever, man. I really do think your support of Donald Trump is going to bite you in the end.

 

Existing leaders are needed to make Americans protest -> Americans protesting makes leaders bold enough to inspire people to protest -> Existing leaders are needed to make Americans protest

It's all excuses! From Schumer and Jeffries on down.

 

Just on that point, I remember a piece in 'Private Eye' magazine, (that I often mention), which is humorous but also covers a lot of the news that doesn't get coverage elsewhere. They were covering the Epstein story back in the noughties, well before a lot of the UK newspapers were.

Anyway, it has a regular feature which reports, often, from relatively unknown backwaters of the world about what's going on and one of their stories a few years ago was about a failed African state where the people were trying to get rid of their government, with little success, it has to be said. Unfortunately, I can't remember which one

The piece explained that the people had protested extensively and repeatedly and it hadn't changed a damn thing. The reasons were many and varied but the nub of the issue was that no foreign country had a particular interest in pushing the issue because they were poor and had little impact on anyone outside their own borders... so who gives a shit?!

One of the lines used, (in typical 'Eye' fashion), was about the fact they'd marched up and down and the only beneficaries were the sellers of shoe leather

Anyway, it occurs to me that even if you DO protest repeatedly, I'm not clear how much difference it will make on its own, (albeit for very different reasons than in the case of a poor African state). Nobody abroad wants to piss off the mad king as we're all just trying to get through this period as well so it looks like you're on your own UNLESS somebody in a position to force a confrontation steps forward in some meaningful way.

In the absence of that the idea that ordinary people traipsing up and down will force Trump out seems pretty unlikely for the simple and obvious reasons he doesn't give a shit what you lot think of him and the enablers around him, the congress and senate won't want to take a risk.

It could even be argued, in a sense, why should they if the opposition, (the democrats), won't take the lead in forcing the issue?

Anyway, just as a matter of interest, here's one of the latest pieces about Paraguay which is part of the 'Shield Of The Americas' which I thought was a TV show but apparently not...

 

Let me help you out. I remember as a kid the largest protest (at the time) in our history. Against the Iraq War. Millions on the streets. There was no leadership from Dems to do anything about it.

I remember as a young adult millions protesting against the bailouts under Obama. There was no Dem leadership to do anything about it.

I remember millions protesting with BLM. Nothing came of it because there was no Dem leadership. Then there was the protests against Gaza genocide. No Dem leadership.

Hell, in many of those instances Dems punished the protestors. Harshly.

MLK et al protested. They had Dem leadership. Change happened.

So yeah....leadership has to change. And not just Jeffries and Chuckles.

 

Repped for your keeping yourself clean thru distance from those people. I'm helped by being Black and being and only, but I figure any adult human can distance himself from Trump voters if they work hard enough, regardless of race. Most people don't want to work hard at cultural cleanliness.

 

Accusing people of supporting Trump because they didn't puss out and run away like you did is some pretty weak sauce.

 

I would love to have been able to escape before this started happening, and get all the other victims out as well. There's certainly no lack of courage on my part. But as long as any Black people are trapped here, I may as well be one of them.

Personally, I respect that a guy who has nothing to lose if he plays the game right has decided to take whatever talent he has to help another nation improve itself instead of helping an America whose citizens deliberately chose this path. At least Brummie's hurting America by not helping America.

Look. America's not just a piece of land- it's an ideal of White supremacy, of rape without consequences, of segregated schools, of Jim Crow until recently, of realtors who direct you away from neighborhoods where you're not welcome, of store employees who follow you around hoping to catch you stealing something, of poor healthcare, poor education, blue collar culture, all a result of wealth without civilization. The people who live here hold America to those ideals, they make it the kind of place you hope not to have to spend your life in.

What's keeping YOU here besides inertia? I ask because I'm curious what you think about America is worth saving now that the veil of civility has been lifted. 77 million pedophiles.

 

The accusations of supporting Trump that I saw were directed at one poster other than you. YOU could have shrugged that shit off. IIRC, the other poster pretty much lives on the Trump side of life if not politics, so no biggie what's said to him.

 

The Civil Rights era was two decades of sustained protests. BLM was less than a year. Iraq was a few days spread out. The bailout protests were, what, once?

We're saying the same thing here.

 

Tough shit! You're in the US and doing nothing. Protest.

 

Pretty sure Occupy was weeks.

We may be saying parallel things. People could protest forever but so long as people like Jeffries, Schumer, and others are running the Dems, nothing will change.

 

That's why I box my bets so I win no matter what order the horses come in.

 

Um.

In the Ukraine war thread I have repeatedly mentioned the lack of Russian protests as their acquiescence to authoritarianism.

And mentioned Israeli protests against Bibi's corruption and constitutional overhaul as a model for Americans.

What is wrong with you