The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

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  1. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    #3101 diablodelsol, Feb 18, 2026
    @soccernutter

    I won’t quote that atrocity that was your attempt to respond to me :D

    My OP probably was better suited for the doom and gloom thread…but I’ll close out this topic here by just reminding you that as incompetent as the Trump administration is…it is really easy to just ******** things up. They have a year to plan for a 12 hour window where all they have to do is break shit and they get the result they want.
     
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  2. spejic

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    #3102 spejic, Feb 18, 2026
    Don't freely give them a victory before the fight's even started.
     
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  3. Kazuma

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    #3103 Kazuma, Feb 18, 2026
    We've had several midterm elections where Dems have won and have been able to govern without hassle.

    I honestly think some people like to panic too much. Doesn't help.
     
  4. Kazuma

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    #3104 Kazuma, Feb 18, 2026
    Nobody is saying that. Or advocating that.

    Although there is something to be said for hippie punching.
     
  5. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

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    #3105 Kazuma, Feb 18, 2026
    This isn't my fight, but I have to say in my experience any time I heard the term "neoliberal" it was usually from a hard lefty type. And there's usually a lot venom behind it. The family friend I mentioned wouldn't vote for Hillary using that word.
     
  6. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    #3106 song219, Feb 18, 2026
    He would be right if this was 1985.
     
  7. Sounders78

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    #3107 Sounders78, Feb 19, 2026
    Yes, they are incompetent. But they will try hard because of the consequences to Trump directly if Democrats were to control Congress: Epstein, impeachment, investigate corruption ...
     
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  8. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    #3108 Quakes05, Feb 19, 2026
    I’m right now.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    #3109 The Jitty Slitter, Feb 19, 2026
    This whole 'whats the right policy' debate is missing that the political culture seems to have moved quite far away from any of that mattering. Kamala had loads of great policies. No one knows what they were.

    We seem to be more in the inspirational leader times
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    #3110 The Jitty Slitter, Feb 19, 2026
    It's worth remembering that neoliberalism was quite aspirational in the 80s when it first emerged, and was surrounded by many positive cultural tropes. No one talked about 'neoliberalism' except nerds riffing on the Chicago school. It was more generally surrounded by language around 'free markets'. I get some here don't recall the era, but especially outside the US the 70s had been seen as a moribund era of high inflation, high tariffs, capital restrictions, lack of innovation etc etc

    The strong negative perceptions of institutions, liberalism etc didn't exist then

    I think we finally see that the likes of Carney are beginning to articulate what this new era might look like. But it won't look like 80s neo-liberalism
     
  11. Pittsburgh Ref

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    #3111 Pittsburgh Ref, Feb 19, 2026
    And this was tied in with the Clinton/Blair "Third Way," yeah?
     
  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    #3112 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Feb 19, 2026
    "Card-carrying member of the ACLU" to be specific. Reminds me - I have to renew for 2026. :thumbsup:
     
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  13. bigredfutbol

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    #3113 bigredfutbol, Feb 19, 2026
    Sure. I’m not arguing we should give the broken clock credit for insight.
     
  14. soccernutter

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    #3114 soccernutter, Feb 19, 2026
    :ROFLMAO:

    Fixed. That's what I get for posting, moving on, and then walking away for the night.
     
  15. soccernutter

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    #3115 soccernutter, Feb 19, 2026
    Well, they will be contested regardless.
    But I don't think this admin can really pull off major shenanigans. They just aren't competent enough, and they are not ready handle the anger the opposition has.
     
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  16. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    #3116 Q*bert Jones III, Feb 19, 2026
    When I think of liberalism, I think of the time that we had only four channels of free TV but we had to suffer through interminable ads.

    When I think of neo-liberalism, I think of an effectively unlimited number of channels of TV, but I have to give each channel cash for the subscription AND suffer through interminable ads. Also each channel is selling each other channel information about me so that they know where I live, which dog food my pets prefer, and my sexual proclivities based on my porn history.
     
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  17. soccernutter

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    #3117 soccernutter, Feb 19, 2026
    Good think posting about politics on a soccer message board won't give them any info. ;)
     
  18. superdave

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    #3118 superdave, Feb 19, 2026
    I think you’re more likely right than wrong…but Democrats should still be putting in the effort.
    “Ah, geez, another one into soaking.”
     
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  19. soccernutter

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    #3119 soccernutter, Feb 19, 2026
    See my prior posts about attorneys being ready for the shenanigans.
     
  20. Naughtius Maximus

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    #3120 Naughtius Maximus, Feb 19, 2026
    ... and I mean, that was hugely successful :)

    Well, apart from that whole world finance collapse, that was bad. Oh, and also moving jobs abroad and leaving the people who used to do them in poverty and desperation... yeah, that was a bummer. Oh and there was all those pointless wars often driven by the centre rights need for profit from armament sales. That was bad news for the people that died but, hey... will nobody think of the shareholders? :(

    Yeah, the more I think about it, the 'new' liberalism sounds a lot like the old fashioned 'toryism' :)
     
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  21. Naughtius Maximus

    Naughtius Maximus Member+

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    #3121 Naughtius Maximus, Feb 19, 2026
    You're only saying that coz you're a luddite.
     
  22. Pittsburgh Ref

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    #3122 Pittsburgh Ref, Feb 19, 2026
    Yep. Transatlantic flim-flam.
     
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  23. ceezmad

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    #3123 ceezmad, Feb 19, 2026
    These are not good numbers for the Democratic party and the future.

    "Yahoo/YouGov: Generic Ballot polling trend among Hispanic Americans

    • July 2025: Dem +19
    • Sep 2025: Dem +12
    • Dec 2025: Dem +5
    • Feb 2026: Dem +4"


     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    #3124 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Feb 21, 2026
    ICs - will Latinos consider these Socialmalism?

    Screenshot_20260221_064121_Bluesky.jpg
     
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  25. ceezmad

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    #3125 ceezmad, Feb 22, 2026
    Yes.

    The Democrats have lost Fareed Zakaria.



     
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