So, you think the younger voters, who are disillusioned, are interested in fighting against something (fascism) and for a system that is not doing them good (capitalism/neoliberalism)? So you are advocating for them to, fundamentally, vote for the status quo?
Fighting against fascism and for preserving Democracy is in their best interest. They have far more to lose than me. Capitalism with all it warts isn’t going away, that’s an idealistic pipe dream. We only have two teams and yeah, I’m saying fight like hell for the blue team (duh), should be a no brainer, but then we’re dealing with the left in this country.
What you are fully doing is showing that you want a return to the status quo pre-Trump. That ship has sailed, and you are showing that you are bereft of new ideas. Or maybe willing to try new ideas. And you have openly said you are stuck in the past, focused on the Bernie Bros and Socialism as all being negative, full stop. None of this helps move the party forward. And we, every poster here, has given ideas that we think should be enacted, and what we want our elected leaders (or those we want to vote for) to enact or advocate for. But as soon as you see anything as possibly being labeled as "socialism" you say it will be a failure and trot out a 1980s Republican talking point. So, either you are with us or you are with team Red.
Yeah, tell them they don't know what they are talking about and see how that wins the over. You do get that these voters are frustrated with what ever they see as democracy, and what they see as this fight against fascism is just a fight to return to the status quo that made college massively expensive, created a group of people and companies that are uber wealthy, and made quite a bit of their lives expensive, and possibly unattainable. And then we add on what AI is doing to their jobs. Yeah, that is the democracy you are asking them to fight for.
lol at these silly attempts to paint me as something I’m not. I’m not as far left as our socialists but I know where (and with whom) I stand, thanks very much.
They’ve already jumped ship. The problem has only grown since 2016. Wish I knew how the Democrats could win them back but it seems increasingly unlikely.
You can say it all you want, but you might want to listen to we keep telling you as is our perception. And keep in mind, there are a few posters here who are moderate, and they very clearly are able to articulate that they are and will be voting for team Blue.
we have moderates? so the truth of course is that the majority of the left are old Dems, kids and the broad left can’t win anything without us. Conversely us old Dems can’t win without the kids and all our disparate elements. We really really need each other, so bash away at us sensible old salt of the earth center left Dems but we will be out there as per usual fighting for our Democrats. All these folks who jumped ship and helped usher in Trump II, those are the folks you should be worried about.
The future belongs to the kids, not the old folks. Let that sink in. The kids don't want to turn back time to how you used to do things, they want to embrace the future. Trying to turn the clock back to the past, just as the Republicans are doing, is not a winning strategy. At some point grandpa needs to hand the keys over to the young adults who are working toward their future, not your glory years.
You said we have people on the left who wouldn’t support Kamala and others on the left who were purposefully undermining Democrats by supporting Trump, so as to expedite the great collapse, I guess. Do you not remember saying this? Do you not see this as problematic?
Here’s the keys kids and good luck! I’m kind of getting there already, slowly but surely, this conversation is illuminating.
I would imagine that's because GenX is so small a group that they could never replace/vote Boomers out of office. It's only now that Boomers are aging out of life and Millenials are getting old enough to enter politics that Boomers are headed towards the door.
Yeah the kids have clearly been ready to take the reins for at least that long, except where are they? At end of the day it comes down to numbers (votes) so this is absurd nonsense, of course. If the last general elections have taught us anything it’s that we’re pretty evenly divided and even winning the popular vote may not be enough. We can’t write off anyone, especially our most reliable voters.
Back to fascism fighting. Interesting article on pro democracy efforts in Belarus in 2020 Volunteers also led efforts to use cutting-edge technology to expose electoral fraud and pressure state agents to avoid tampering with the vote. A group of forty Belarusian software engineers pioneered the use of artificial-intelligence (AI) technology for parallel vote tabulation. In June 2020, IT professional Pavel Liber wrote in a Facebook post that “if the majority of citizens of the country have a smartphone, you can turn this crowd of people into one big digital electoral district.” This idea became Golos, a digital platform to which citizens could send a photograph of their ballot. Golos, which means “vote” or “voice” in Russian, used these images to create an independent tally of the precinct-level election results. This secure AI-based system was developed in under a month and went live on July 23. It used neural networks and machine vision—the large-scale extraction of information from an image—to recognize, authenticate, and tabulate ballots; encrypted voter data for security; and collected images via chat bots. In a three-week span before the election, Golos grew to 1.2 million users—representing more than 17 percent of all registered voters. After the election, Golos received more than 550,000 ballot photographs. Honest People played a crucial role in getting citizens to send photos of their ballots to Golos. The use of machine vision to quickly and accurately process ballot photos was a major breakthrough: Vote totals could now be checked independently of the official, manipulated results. https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/how-to-compete-in-unfair-elections/
They were going to do that anyway. You might not be old enough, but in 1988 Bush called Democrats “the L word,” and he didn’t mean lesbian. He meant liberal.
Sorry . Been busy. We is The United States of America as I’ve known it since birth. In normal times…If there were credible terrorists threats on polling stations…federal law enforcement and local law enforcement would coordinate and cooperate to protect polling stations across the country against that internal threat….to ensure that between polls opening and closing on Election Day everyone eligible to vote who desires to vote can and does (please don’t sidetrack this as it’s not my point) My point is that now it will be federal law enforcement doing the job of disrupting the polling stations. Local law enforcement ain’t gonna do shit. No amount of running to court on election day is gonna make a difference. And they don’t have to ******** everything up. Just have to stop the ability to vote in the swing districts that matter. Then we don’t have valid election results because those districts (or portions of those districts) didn’t even get a chance to vote. long way of saying we’re ********ed. And I’m about 90% to a place where I vote early and take the family on a European vacation on Election Day and watch this shit play out from the other side of the Atlantic. And I promise if I do that I will come here…quote this post…and call myself Sir Robin
It happens, no worries...yeah, I figured it was that but wasn't totally sure. I understand the concern, but I'm seeing a couple of things: 1 - The Trump Administration is so incompetent that they will ******** things up in some way. And I'm not even sure they will try that hard because Trump is not on the ballot. Beyond that, the legal side of things are showing how bad the warrant was in GA, and that is a dry run for the defense side (state) to run to court. Yes, that is not a great, but I think it will work. 2 - The motivation for opposition to Trump and the Republicans I see as being high, and I suspect that will show at the ballot. Keep in mind, those who would be arrested and deported anyway are those who are most at risk for going to vote, so why not make an effort?