The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

Yeah, the point about IC's, (as we normally discuss them on here, which is in rather disparaging terms, tbh), is that they say they're 'independent' but sometimes they're either lying OR, (in some senses even worse), they think they're independent... but they're not.

Too often they'll readily accept some definitions, (like Renee Good being a 'domestic terrorist'), whilst recoiling from others, (such as calling what happened in Gaza 'genocide').

If they did both of those I'd say they're not really IC's... they're basically just right-wingers who don't like to think of themselves as being right-wing.

If people have an honest opinion it makes them easier to have a conversation with, even if they're wrong, than if they're being dishonest, especially with themselves.

 

My concern with this is those victories are after the fact and result in reversals. I’m not sure you can get an injunction to stop something before they try it. And they will absolutely try it. And members of this court…were either sitting or actively arguing Bush v Gore for bush. We are simply not prepared for what is coming. Particularly given the overwhelming evidence that state and local law enforcement will twiddle their thumbs while federal LE’s fo whatever the ******** they want.

 

To paraphrase Talarico (see my YouTube link on the Christian thread)….dont tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and support and I’ll tell you what you believe

 

You haven't convinced me that he doesn't embody their values. Let's be honest, a lot (not all) of them voted for him because of their prejudice. These are not people who had no clue as to who he really is. These are not people who were not aware of his blatant bigotry. And they voted for him anyway.

 

This is how Europe thinks of the US these days. Its well worth a look and listen.
I don’t know how to embed it


https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CEo9pVa8k/?mibextid=wwXIfr

 

I agree that whether the midterms will be “free and fair” is an open question.

But what alternative is there to being optimistic and fighting like hell and hoping for the best? Again, I don’t criticize you for leaving, I fully understand that. But those of us without that as a realistic option are in a different place, literally and figuratively.

My own prediction is that there will be clear and obvious shenanigans. I feel pretty confident about that. But will it be enough to change enough outcomes to keep GOPs in power, like Florida 2000, or will it be at the margins and not change which party controls congress? Ohio 2004 had a lot of shenanigans but AIUI Bush would have won without that. 2020 had shenanigans galore but Biden won anyway.

So that’s the “optimistic” take…there will be cheating, but let’s hope Democrats can overcome it.

What a world….

 

I see hints of signs of harbingers of suggestions that is changing, and we’ve got 9 months. But yeah, we aren’t prepared yet.

Could you expand on this? My take would be that state and local governments are grappling with what can be legally done. A lot of this is behind the scenes; I see news items here and there but we don’t talk about them in this forum. In short, I’m a lot less pessimistic about the “will” of cities and states to oppose Trump. The problem has been more in practical terms, not motivation.

 

Democrats are a shambles. Stock has plummeted to new lows.

 

The Bible has a phrase for that. Matthew 7:16.

 

For a variety of reasons, ticket splitting is at an historic low. I mean, look at how well Mark Robinson ran in his governor race in North Carolina. He was completely unqualified and crazy plus he’s black so racist Republicans had every reason to abandon him. Stein only beat him by 15 points. That’s crazy. (North Carolina is kind of the anti-Massachusetts in that it’s generally a Republican state, but Democrats do very well running for governor. So the baseline would have been Stein +2, something like that. Yet Stein only won by 15 because party loyalty is so dominant nowadays.)

I think what happens is that low information loyal Republicans voters adopt the policy ideas of leading Republicans. In 2012 they were very pro free enterprise, and now they’re not, because Trump and Romney are different. If somehow that Bacon guy from Nebraska was the Republican nominee in 2028, you’d see that type of voter change his position on all kinds of issues.

Democrats do it too, the low information, but very loyal, types.

 

Also, for many, many voters, the general elections are a foregone conclusion for one party or the other. Who wins is decided in the primary. Registering independent allows you to cast a meaningful vote.

 

Only in states that have open primaries. You can always register for the dominant party.

 

That doesn't work in Utah's GOP. Closed Primary for the supermajority party.

 

I'm not so sure the kids are ever coming back. They're kind of done with free-market capitalism and hate Democrats more than Republicans these days, or so I'm told.