The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

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  1. Kazuma

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    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
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    Jeffries ain't saying or implying what you've said though. All it is him being diplomatic (Which is being kind) about Adams.
     
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  2. ElNaranja

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    The fact Democrats refuse to hold leadership accountable for betraying the people and party is insane. There is nothing good to say about Eric at this point and he should be thrown into the dustbin of history as an example of what not to be or do.

    If he wanted to be a good leader he could've said something along the lines of hey I had high hopes for you but you messed up but time and got blackmailed by the President and turned Republican. The people have spoken and I look forward to working with the new mayor to improve the lives of New Yorkers.

    Clean it up, done.
     
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  3. bigredfutbol

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    I think it's OK for a party leader to be gracious to a former Democratic nominee who is on his way out. I don't fault Jeffries for acknowledging that Adams was "our guy" for a time, nor for choosing not to shit on him and his legacy as he bows out.

    Coupling that act of kindness with a mention that he's withholding an endorsement still was the dick move, IMHO.
     
  4. ElNaranja

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    For someone be like Hillary, sure. I have strong disagreements with her but objectively she's been trying to make Dems better more often than not.

    Adams literally betrayed everything and became a shill for the regime. He isn't worthy of any grace.
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
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  6. bigredfutbol

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    He's a piece of shit and I'm glad he's gone; I'm just saying that as a fellow NY Democrat, I can understand Jeffries being diplomatic now that the creep is finally throwing in the towel.
     
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  7. bigredfutbol

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  8. ElNaranja

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    What's wrong with saying just that? What pushback would Jeffries get from the public? Why is it so taboo to have a spine and call out bad behavior?
     
  9. bigredfutbol

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    Nothing, IMHO. I'm just saying I understand why he didn't go that route.

    Coupling that with "And by the way, I'm STILL not going to honor the will of the voters and endorse the Muslim" was the bigger sin.
     
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  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    It's all bad. Jeffries knows it & New Yorkers know it. Why Adams is polling at 8%.

    A Democratic administration would've never dropped the charges against this crooked clown cop. A reminder of his 4 year shitshow

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/eric-adams-corruption-case-timeline/
     
  11. bigredfutbol

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    Like I said above--I don't really care that much about whether or not he should shit on Adams now that he's leaving the race; what bothers me is that he just had to add that even with Adams out he's STILL not ready to endorse the guy who won the primary fair and square.
     
  12. charlie15

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    I am so sick and tired of Jeffries and Schumer… no surprise the party is so unpopular with its own base. Jeffries is praising a scumbag and alledged crook like Adams but not endorsing the democratic candidate for Mayor in NY. He is such a complete moron.
     
  13. ElNaranja

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    Jul 16, 2017
    $50 says Schumer and Jeffries throw the trans community into the dumpster to end the shutdown.
     
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  14. Sounders78

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    If so, they'll argue it is short-term pain for long-term gain. I think that's what many here were telling me back when Biden caved in and agreed not to fly the Pride flag at embassies. Thankfully, that short-term pain has really paid off, given how much better things are now! :cautious:
     
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  15. ElNaranja

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    The most important thing to folk like Biden is bipartisanship. Saw it during the first go round with these knuckleheads. How many times did we hear from a certain someone the need for a strong GOP? The need for negotiating and consensus building and sometimes we don't get what we want.

    And here we are.
     
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  16. superdave

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    What would be the specific compromise in this scenario? I mean, it’s a budget bill.
     
  17. bigredfutbol

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    I'm sure there's a way to exclude trans people from a health care provision. They'll figure it out.
     
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  18. ElNaranja

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    Any facility performing gender affirming care is ineligible to receive federal dollars.
     
  19. soccernutter

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    I get what your saying, but it was a bit more than what I would call gracious. It was praise. Jeffries could have dialed back some and still sounded gracious. I also get that he needed to do so from his position as House Minority Leader. But he kind of went over the top there.

    Considering how Mamdani has been labeled, I can understand why he hasn't endorsed him. But I think that is a failure. He seems like he is trying to walk a line when that line is very, very narrow, almost to the point of not existing.
     
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  20. soccernutter

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    I expect them to throw all minorities in the dumpster, apart from women. It's been said many time on this board by a number of posters, but minorities will always get screwed when trying to prevent the cutting back of advancement.

    edit - And women's won't get screwed as much because it will be attached to health care.
     
  21. rslfanboy

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    Section 26
    Are women really a “minority?”
     
  22. Kazuma

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    I’m sorry but all this is dubious. Could Schumer and Jeffries do better? Sure but they’re in the minority nor are they likely to throw minorities under the bus.
     
  23. Val

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    Of course they are. They have minority power.
     
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  24. bigredfutbol

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    I completely agree, I was just bending over backwards trying to be balanced; as in "I know what Jeffries thought he was doing but he really botched the execution".

    Prior to Donald J Trump winning the election in November of 2024, I would have been grudgingly amenable to this argument. But not now. I don't see any reason to worry about how endorsing the Democratic nominee in NYC will play to Fox News-junkies in rural Nebraska at this point. The die is cast. Pick a ********ing side.
     
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  25. ElNaranja

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    He doesn't have to accept the rights framing. By doing so it's a sign of weakness.

    A more neutral message that is strong would be something like: I'm going to continue to ensure that Democrats continue to make NYC the best city in the country and as party leader am always happy to welcome in new young talent. I'm happy to work with the mayor on a variety of issues. Our party doesn't embrace sexual abusers, unlike the GOP. #ReleasetheEpsteinFiles
     
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