The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

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  1. superdave

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    Not in our primaries.

    I suspect one reason Schumer won’t retire is that he knows AOC will take his seat, and he can’t stand that. She continues to impress the hell out of me. She gave a speech in the last couple of days tying the rise in income inequality with the rise in the popularity of anti-democratic ideologies. Smart way to frame the issue.
     
  2. ceezmad

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    If we go strawman vs strawman, what if the choice is fascist vs communist, who is the better choice?

    France may have to make that choice in 18 months.

    Here is a clip from the unfvck America college tour of a liberal influencer debating the future of the Democratic party. At minute 36 or so.Talking about illiberal ideology in the left wing of the party.




    If that is who wins the Democratic primary.

    I will then have to see how bad they fvck over the country with some of their RWord policies.
     
  3. babaorum

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    I suppose that, for the 'communist' choice, you are referring to Melenchon.

    Words have been so emptied of their meaning, and the right and the far right (which are increasingly indistinguishable) have won the semantic battle so thoroughly, that we've come to believe that any left-wing group with even a slightly left-wing platform is necessarily communist.
    Mitterrand was elected President in 1981 on a platform more radical than Melenchon's today. And yet, no serious person can consider Mitterrand a communist (a few did say so at the time: the right wing, and even Reagan, with considerable bad faith. Events quickly proved them wrong). This also says a lot, by the way, about the collapse of the Socialist Party, not so different from that of the Democrats in the US.
     
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  4. Interesting article on Dutch acceptance of Trumpism:
    https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/ruim-d...u-slechts-16-procent-op-hem-stemmen~a8080a35/

    More than half of the Dutch partly support Trump's Maga ideology, yet only 16 percent would vote for him.
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    Researcher and statistician Christopher Houtkamp calls the study unique, especially because of the systematic classification of different ideological currents within Maga. The research shows where the Dutch deviate from that ideology and where the most important fault lines lie.
     
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    A carnival float entitled 'Stormy Donald' will be one of the eye-catchers in Mainz's Rosenmontag parade on Monday.
     
  6. Naughtius Maximus

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    Pardon?
     
  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Who's a viable communist candidate in America?
     
  8. Naughtius Maximus

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    Describing Trump as a fascist means I'm erecting a 'strawman', does it?

    Well... it's a point of view I guess :)
    Well, that too but I'm also a bit confused as to who is the 'communist' in the US we're meant to be 'scurred' of, unless it's one of the 12 year olds in the park he posted the video of. Is one of them going to be standing as a candidate for potus? I must have missed that :)
     
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  9. rslfanboy

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  10. Kazuma

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    I don't think AOC could win the primary. NY state isn't exactly NYC.
     
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  11. Naughtius Maximus

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    She seems to have enough about her to realise what she needs to do so I wouldn't necessarily bet against her at this stage.

    We'll see,
     
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  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    She don't need no stinkin' upstate ICs!

    NYC vs Upstate

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  13. soccernutter

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    And, as I recall, the Contract with America kind of forced Republicans to walk in lock-step, and one of the general policies was to cut taxes (everywhere).
     
  14. soccernutter

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    She seems to be pretty savvy, and though she is a lefty, I think she will be able to talk to the moderates in a way that will be successful. I'd also be interested in how Schumer's negatives are outside of the the NYC metro area.
     
  15. derek750

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    ‘Show Up for Us’: 13 Democratic Voters on Trump, ICE and Their Frustrations With the Democratic Party

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  16. Q*bert Jones III

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    Upstate Dems are more like Vermont Dems than, say, Michigan Dems or South Carolina Dems. She'll do at least as well with upstate Dems as she will with NYC Dems.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    State of play: The Vianovo note says that "due to two key changes in Congressional Democrats' thinking, the focus on corporations is likely to be more intense than ever, and executives who are not prepared risk being swamped by a legal, political, and media onslaught."

    Larger corporations are likely to be the focus since for Democrats on the Hill, aggressive oversight of private companies is "a means for exposing alleged abuses by the Trump administration."

    From their experience with the first Trump administration in 2019 and 2020, Democrats know the White House is likely to refuse to turn over documents. So administration probes "will be supplemented by piercing corporate investigations."

    Among the possible focuses of Democratic oversight probes: algorithmic pricing; health care; crypto and digital assets; utilities and energy; trade and tariffs; and AI and tech.

    https://www.axios.com/2026/02/17/subpoenas-democrats-midterms-corporate-america
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    Even Bill Kristol supports AOC these days
     
  19. Sufjan Guzan

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    Recent polling suggest Mamdani won 1 out of every 10 Trump voters. I agree she isn't left enough to be able to match that. But hey! Looks like we know how to win elections moving forward and win people over from the right--->run economic populist candidates. I expect Talarico to do the same in Texas when he turns it blue. Weird how it's seeming like all of these progressive candidates are going to beat establishment Dems in the primary and then win in areas that the Democratic Party hasn't been able to win for awhile. It's almost like the base is further to the Left than the party is...But what do I know?

    https://www.the-independent.com/new...ohran-mamdani-trump-voters-poll-b2882674.html
     
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  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Did you poll White middle-aged Ford factory workers in Michigan tho?
     
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  21. soccernutter

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    If you mean leadership, sure. But I'm not sure that the overall party has moved significantly left. To me it seems that the voters want the pols to fight more. Not the Bondi way, but the Raskin way. Or Jayapal way. Or Crockett way. Or even the Jack Smith way. Yes, I do think they are all left of center, but not significantly left of where most of the party voters are. Crockett is probably different, here, and I think she is right.

    Now, I'm not saying that I think they should stay more moderate. No, I think they should move to the left. But I still think that the average voter is far more moderate than I am, and most of us are on this board.
     
  22. Sufjan Guzan

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    I happen to know a guy that works on cars in Detroit. Big leftist. Rave buddy of mine as you will. As a couple guys in the shop. Predominantly a Conservative space. If we ran someone there on Woke 2.0 (economic populism) instead of Woke 1.0. we've both agreed he could probably do some convincing.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    Ah yes, the famously left wing trump voters.

    We are just doing madlibs now
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    The Dem donor class is significantly to the left of the average dem voter. There is lots of data which shows that.

    Not saying you can't have leadership for left wing policy, but the idea that the voter base is to the left of the party isn't supported by evidence IMO.

    I suspect OP means populist policy
     

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