The Democratic Party in Trump's Fascist 2nd Term. Commentary, Ideas & Strategy (+ non Woketicism)

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  1. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
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    I'm right here, bro. You can ask for clarification or refute what I'm saying directly. Do you see anyone in America who seems serious about tackling our national debt?
     
  2. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

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    I remember telling people that demand he should have been the nominee that he wasn't the right fit with everyday Americans though I liked his message. I said he stood a better chance of being the AP Randolph of the progressive movement.
     
  3. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Yeah, but hang on. If we'd had Bernie in 2016 we might have lost...

    Oh... wait!
     
  4. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator

    Aug 8, 2000
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    The problem is that Republicans and their pet media define everything they don't like as "socialism". You want to tax the rich - Republicans will call that socialism and every major media platform will support them. What are you going to do? Do you back off from that policy proposal because it's been labeled "socialism"? Do you explain, "no wait really, higher taxes aren't socialism" and see what happens? How do you implement a perfectly reasonable non-socialist "tax the rich" policy in this environment?
     
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  5. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    They don't as long as America has a policy of a strong dollar and our nation continues to be respected the world over for its forthright and steady promotion and management of world-wide commerce.
     
  6. Sounders78

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    So they do matter! :(
     
  7. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    #2933 Naughtius Maximus, Feb 13, 2026
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    TBH I think you keep hammering the 'fairness' line and otherwise, you ignore their response.
     
  9. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    Yes, they will call everything socialism (because they know it's a powerful tool for scaring the hell out of everyone), but of course everything isn't socialism. Dems can be pretty savvy media operators too, I feel like Gavin could give these guys a run for their money. Dems need a rebranding; we need a whole new group of scrappers capable of fighting back. I don't know where these folks are, but Dems are at an all-time low and terribly weak in the face of all this. But no, they can't back off. Tax the rich we must. MAGA is always going to MAGA, we just need to give them a little less firepower to use against us by avoiding obvious missteps (i.e embracing actual socialists) and we need our next Obama to come forth with a message of hope that can unite the left and breathe some new life and optimism into our flailing party. Quickly would be good. (yes, we're probably doomed)
     
  10. bigredfutbol

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    I had posted in response to you posting this:

    ...which was your response to another response to you posting this:

     
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  11. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    and?
     
  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    He's also old AF and that's not really what we need
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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  14. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    Trump's adding to the national debt, Dems add to the national debt too, spending lots of money is easy, and folks love it! Cutting spending and raising taxes, well...not so fun, or popular, and yet...being (almost) $40 trillion in debt and having to fork over $1 trillion in tax revenue each year (and climbing) just to service that debt, well, you don't have to be a genius to realize that this is bad and we should be doing more about it. This is just common sense.
     
  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    One party controls all the branches, broheim, and loves themselves tax cuts for the wealthy
     
  16. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    Yes, they do and Trump and his minions should be ashamed. Republicans have demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that all their huffing and puffing about paying down our staggering debt was nothing more than disingenuous political posturing.
     
  17. superdave

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    Dude, we all knew that beyond a reasonable doubt in 1992 when Buchanan gave Bush a real run because Bush had agreed to a deficit reduction package that included tax increases.
     
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  18. Could?:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
    Since the Greenland soap it's a headache for anybody in the USA who has any knowledge of where the big financers of the USA are.
    Europe barely gets a mention, however just five EU countries — Germany, France, Ireland, Belgium and Luxembourg — together hold $1,558.2bn of US Treasury debt.
    As of early 2026, total European holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds amount to approximately $3.6 trillion. This figure indicates that Europe holds about 40% of the total foreign-owned U.S. Treasury securities.

    https://www.ft.com/content/a462bc05-1292-4367-8410-d48dfc7157ce
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    Let's see what happens when treasuries are being offered the next few months.
     
  19. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    You’re right of course, it’s a massive problem. I was being facetious.
     
  20. Real Investment Advice
    https://realinvestmentadvice.com › resources › blog › a-third-of-us-debt-matures-in-2026

    A Third Of US Debt Matures In 2026 - RIA

    12 dec 2025A third of the approximately $30 trillion in US Treasury debt equates to $10 trillion in Treasury bonds maturing next year. Thus, whether measured as a percentage (a third of all debt) or by the notional amount ($10 trillion), the Treasury's refunding task seems daunting.



    The interest to be paid on the debt was almost a trillion(970 billion) in 2025.
    Expectations in februari last year were:

    Interest on the Debt to Grow Past $1 Trillion Next Year
    6 feb 2025 Interest will rise from $881 billion in FY 2024 to $1 trillion in FY 2026 before climbing further to nearly $1.8 trillion in 2035. Interest on the debt is already larger than spending on Medicare and national defense - it is second only to Social Security
    .

    But this was before the brilliant orange man decided to get into a fight with the continent that holds the largest part of the US debt, and before the large (actually huge) Dutch pension funds secretly were divesting their exposure to US treasury bonds.

    What is it spent on, what you borrow?
     
  21. ceezmad

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    As a liberal this hurts, but if that is what the party wants, I will vote for AOC. At least the first time.

    "Do you think the Democratic nominee in 2028 should be a moderate, liberal or progressive?

    Progressive 46%
    Moderate 32%
    Liberal 23% "

     
  22. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    The tweet doesn't show up for me but, assuming you're talking about potus, isn't it a simple question of the fascist candidate and the NON fascist candidate?

    Pretty easy choice I'd say.
     
  23. Ehhh, o_O?
    Who's that "trvmp of the left"?
     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    It's never that easy with our ICs
     
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  25. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    You'll vote for a Democratic Socialist?
     

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