The definitive word on expansion

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by monster, Oct 27, 2003.

  1. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will all the "Oh my God, they're going to bend over for Chivas" hysteria please cease now?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/27/sports1441EST6166.DTL

    Somehow, I know people will still bitch.

    Other tidbits:

    -Agreement in principle
    -2005 start likely
    -Cleveland a possibility, according to Garber
    -Club America investment still preliminary and won't be an expansion team.
     
  2. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Note to everyone:

    Please shut the hell up now.

    Thank you.

    Sincerely,
    Reasonable Folk
     
  3. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Also, from the looks of things in the article, it appears Omnilife is going to become a major league sponsor, as well.

    Also, Garber says Qualcomm would be 'temporary' and they're working toward a permanent facility.

    I see zero downside to this at all.
     
  4. helmet

    helmet New Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Jose
    Ditto. This is excellent news.
     
  5. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're going to allow Mexican flares?!!

    Or maybe it's just pieces of flair.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    also this from Eric Wynalda
    quote "CHIVAS ON THE HORIZON

    Many of you wrote in about the League changing the rules for Chivas and that was just a case of bad reporting by the American soccer press. The League has confirmed the foreign player rules will not change to accommodate Chivas.

    The fact remains that Chivas is coming to MLS but I have to wonder if this makes sense. If you are building a brand, which is MLS' goal, you make your own product and not steal someone else's identity. Are we sending a message that our new tradition isn't good enough? That we can't figure it out on our own? Also, Chivas is a special club but its identity lies in Guadalajara. I'm surprised they would take the step to take their brand outside that context.

    I'm sure this is a debate that will continue through the offseason and it will heighten the anticipation for the team. "
     
  7. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I particularly liked the idea of a possible new SSS in San Diego sometime down the line. :)
     
  8. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    I still think that you have to worry about the player transfers between the two teams. If Chivas has some good players under 25 who aren't playing down there, they could loan them to their "northern franchise". With a $1.7 mil cap, getting some reasonable players nearly for free would be something of a competitive advantage.

    Sincerely,

    an (apparently) unreasonable guy
     
  9. Paul Nasta

    Paul Nasta Member

    Oct 16, 2001
    Long Island
    Also, according to FoxSportsWorld, Vergara will pay between $12 and $15 million to get Chivas USA off the ground. I'm assuming that's the expansion fee. At the same time, Garber says expansion will cost each MLS team several million dollars. How is that if Vergara is paying an expansion fee?
     
  10. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    people will still bitch because you left out this from the article,was this on purpose, do you have an agenda ?

    "MLS regulations allow each team to have a maximum of three players over the ages of 25 without U.S. citizenship. The league also has 20 slots designated for foreign players 24 and younger and there is no limit to how many of those slots a particular team can acquire. "

    basicly the new Chivas team could have 23 mexican players, wasn't this what we were all afraid of ? But this can't be right as i am reading it, can it?
     
  11. helmet

    helmet New Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Jose
    Re: Re: The definitive word on expansion

    I'm not sure about the rule they're referring too but ... I really wouldn't care if the team was made up of only Mexican players. Honestly. Who cares? As long as they don't change the rules for them, it's good for the league.
     
  12. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, their salaries in such a case should count against their cap in MLS, and that wouldn't be a whole lot different from how the MetroStars got two U-25 players on loan from Boca Juniors.
     
  13. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: The definitive word on expansion

    They could have 23 Mexican players only if MLS fired all of its current transitional internationals and then signed or acquired on loan 20 young Mexicans and, rather than put them in one of the various draft systems that MLS uses, allocated them all to Chivas, abandoning even the semblance of allocation/discovery rules that they have sort of established.
     
  14. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: The definitive word on expansion

    So, your saying it could happen? [​IMG]
     
  15. Greddy

    Greddy Member

    Jun 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: The definitive word on expansion

    No, I believe what most people where afraid of, was that the chivas would be playing under different rules than the other teams. And ,though I think it is likely that they will use more TI's than most teams, they certainly wont use all of them(we're keeping Damani, a TI) and they will use them within the current rules of MLS.
     
  16. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: The definitive word on expansion

    20 such players are the total for all mls teams, and not per team ,this makes me feel better, thank you,
     
  17. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only thing fishy-smelling to me is if Chivas Norte gets around the salary cap. You know, the way the Metros and Gals have done so at various times.

    If Viagra wants to field the U-23 Chivas, let him. Personally, I think that team resembles the '99 Metros.
     
  18. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Does it make sense to say that MLS could potentially increace to 24 (or more) league-wide TI slots when they expand to 12 teams in 2005 or whenever?

    why is there no limit on the TI distribution among teams? seems like there should be some form of a limit.
     
  19. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like someone else mentioned - this quote puzzles me.

    Is it due to the nature of SEM that some of the start up costs woudl be distributed across the 10 teams.

    And uh...Viva Chivas. Bring em on.
     
  20. Treetaliano

    Treetaliano Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    San Diego
    what an arrogant ass...

    but...they are gonna dominate by:

    Picking up mexican kids playing pick-up games at Griffith Park? :rolleyes:

    then there's this:

    Great...so CD Guadalajara pays someone like say Ramon Morales his 3.5 million or whatever, and "loans" him to the San Diego Goats with a MLS salary of "50K" ...this is gonna be fair

    I guarantee there wont be a white guy or a black guy on this team.

    Chivas sucks
     
  21. MLS3

    MLS3 New Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    Pac NW
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm just happy theres plans for a SSS and that San Diego is the city they are "leaning" towards...

    the only thing about this whole situation that can now piss me off is if they go with the name Chivas USA....

    just call em San Diego Chivas...the american way..
     
  22. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    Just like Donovan's full salary from his BL04 contract has always counted against SJ's cap?
     
  23. kpaulson

    kpaulson New Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Washington DC
    No. What a competitor. Isn't that what we should be saying?

    Yeah, but what happens when MLS HQ, which ultimately owns the loan, decides that the Metros need him? ;)

    This is going to be fantastic.
     
  24. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, yes. Bayer pays Donovan nothing while he's in MLS.
     
  25. MLS3

    MLS3 New Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    Pac NW
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just beat me to that post Noah...I had the exact same words about to be written...

    hah, thats funny
     

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