The current state of our youth national teams

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  1. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    2026 should be game changers for the US and Canada. The rev will allow the CSA to build. It will allow the US to start spending on our Nat programs in a way top programs do. More camps, more specialists, higher end coaches (they are expensive folks), cutting edge stuff, etc.

    That will be the start of the next step IMO.
     
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  2. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    #1302 ielag, Jul 14, 2022
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2022
    FMF does whatever Televisa tells them to do. Televisa will just hire a bunch of people that won’t change much of anything for FMF.

    Picking on Canada seems like a weird thing considering the popularity of the sport, the population, how spread out that population is, and the damn climate.

    And their men’s national team ascent is huge. Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty would’ve been by far the biggest prospect in this tournament had he played.

    Canada has done a good job in that their top prospects are proving their talent at the pro level. They don’t have the depth yet to overcome injuries and players not panning out, but their top dudes are hitting very well. And the CPL is a game changer once they get academies up and running.
     
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  3. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Yeah, Canada has hit very well in the their higher end guys.

    I think Pax is actually better than we even think. The kid just innately understands the damn game so well. I hope he takes his brothers route.
     
  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fun fact:
    ■ Cole Basset has been on ads/advertising more times than on the pitch
    ■ Almost have the impression that Cole Bassett has been taken for merchandise/shirt sales, then his qualities -good player imo-
    We put Cole in the list of names that didn't get the chance​


     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A thread comparing the US and Mexico: 16 reasons the US exports more players than Mexico to Europe.




    A few:







     
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  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1306 xbhaskarx, Jul 19, 2022
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2022
    Interesting video on soccer in Australia...


    I remember when the A-League and MLS were considered just about comparable around 2006-2012. Same with the two men's national teams at points. Since then MLS and the USMNT seem to have pretty clearly overtaken their Australian counterparts. One thing I have heard about from Aussies is the other sports in their country competing for eyeballs, but uh you can't really get more competitive than the US sports market. Same goes for lack of media coverage or anti-soccer bias in the media or national culture...
    Some of the criticisms mirror those we have heard in the US. Pay to play at youth levels. International players in the league taking our jerbs. But at least MLS academies are free at this point, even if most of the rest of the structure remains pay to play. And I have maintained for the last decade that the "foreign players bad" thing is completely backwards, if you took out international players the domestic players you develop would get worse. Perhaps the A-League even shows this, according to this video they only have FIVE foreign players on each team, and think the solution is to drop that number further? That's like the bare minimum number of starting foreigners you would find on almost every MLS team. And MLS designated players include some big name stars and quality prospects, whereas I haven't heard of most of the A-Leaguers mentioned here. Does anyone think Gale Agbossoumonde would have developed into a USMNT regular if only he could've held onto a MLS roster spot? Does anyone not think it's better for the US national teams that Daniel Edelman has to fight for a starting job against Cristian Casseres? Or that it's not better for young American defenders to face Carlos Vela?
    We are producing more domestic talent than ever before, and that was directly preceded by years of panic on here over the declining percentage of domestic minutes in MLS!
     
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  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A-League teams mainly play in stadiums built for other sports, the TV contract is worth US $13 million a year (which includes the women's league) and the average salary is $125k a year. There's not a lot of money for long-term investment.
     
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  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Current state update:





    I believe winning the mens U-17s would make the US current holders of every Concacaf trophy… and that’s on top of MLS being the most recent winners of Champions League, Campeones Cup, and the All Star Game.
     
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  9. Boysinblue

    Boysinblue Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That channel's content is pretty bleh, my guess is the guy just Googles around for a while to research stuff for his videos, seems low on knowledge.



    He literally made a USMNT 2026 squad speculation video in Feb 2021 and had JASON F***ING KREIS as the manager(timestamp 16:00) :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel like the main reasons are mostly that Liga MX wants too much for their players, and that young players aren’t getting a ton of opportunities compared to MLS.
     
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  11. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
     
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  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Liga MX is also willing to overpay to retain Mexican players.
     
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  13. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I found this reason to be the biggest:

    7. MLS has 28 clubs along with 27 more in USL. This means there are far more opportunities for young players to have professional minutes.

    Expansion in MLS and USL has provided a lot more slots for players at the same time when young players are being churned out at a much more pro-ready level. This has meant an explosion of opportunity.

    Meanwhile, Liga MX's second tier imploded during the pandemic and spots have been reduced. The new second tier is semi-pro. This means that there are essentially only 18 pro soccer clubs in Mexico.

    At some point we will reach a position where expansion is no longer sustainable. Hopefully at that time MLS will have become an exporting league and will be generating continuous new opportunities for young players.
     
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  14. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Don’t forget rampant money laundering through clubs.

    No one likes to talk about that one.

    Also, I’ve stated before and it’s an issue we are afraid to talk about here in sensitive US land.

    It is also a very conservative insular mindset that permeates much of Mexican culture. It’s hit upon in those reasons, some direct and some indirectly. For me, that is a big issue. Young players waiting for their turn is a mindset that is very common. The US was like that 40 to 50 years ago. The cultural aspects that make their fanbase so rabid, are also the ones that now are giving them issues with regards to the modern game. Change will only come through a change of mindset. They need to stop treating their players as if they were gods (for a lack of a better term)TV needs to have less control (good luck a), the finances of the league need to be cleaned up (ha), the pride/arrogance needs to be taken down a notch (happening a bit), path for youth opp needs to become clearer. Just forcing young guys to get minutes because of a rule didn’t work 15 years ago, and won’t work now. people will do what they do and obsess over the smaller points, but it starts with the bigger picture. Addressing the small stuff will help but only do so much.
     
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  15. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    From what I know the pandemic was a problem of course, but many of these clubs were all built on smoke and mirrors, thus making them very vulnerable. Folks should appreciate the way Garber and MLS insisted on deep pocketed owners only. A big thank you there.
     
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  16. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    A lot of the topics in that twitter feed ring true.

    At some point, by the way, MLS clubs are going to start raiding Liga MX teams for young players.
    18-20 year olds not getting playing time in Liga MX, and wanting an opportunity. Its coming. Just like it has for young Argentines, Uruguayans, etc.
     
  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe it's just me but it seems like there's less American youth players going to Liga MX than there used to be.
     
  18. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    With MLS gaining more and more acceptance in Mexico this will eventually happen, but as I have stated, the cultural mindset will be a real hard one to change. This one will take a much larger mental shift IMO.
     
  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Other candidates for this include Tanner Tessmann, Cole Bassett, etc.
    Ricardo Pepi is borderline, he was at the All-Star Game...
    Gregg made it clear in the ESPN interview that Matt Turner is NOT one of these, Gregg's whole point is that you move to a higher level after you have dominated the current level, and Turner certainly did that.

    Of course the part that's left unsaid is that MLS teams SHOULD be selling if they don't expect that player to ever dominate, take the money while you can... I think Tessmann is probably one of those. FC Dallas probably didn't believe that he would sell for much more after a year or two, or at least they didn't want to take that chance. Even Pepi, Dallas also had Ferreira at the position, who they chose to give a big contract not long after selling Pepi.
     
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  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't think there will be a huge need to do so. MLS already raids countries with strong development in South America, and as the US' own academies spool up, there aren't that many roster spots.

    Oh, there will be some, but there's only so many slots in MLS. Of course, national team level talent will be a draw.

    Now, if I were a Mexican player with family in the states, I might actually come north to avoid the trap in the academy phase.
     
  21. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I understand it, the pay for Liga MX academy kids is really low & they often live in dorms. Add in the culture shock for US-raised kids and you can see why they might be more likely to latch onto a US opportunity instead.
     
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  22. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    #1322 jeff_adams, Jul 20, 2022
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2022
    An interesting case study of this is Northern California’s Alexis Luna. I know the San Jose Earthquakes have talked to him in the past about joining their academy but he chose to move to Santos Laguna in Mexico. He spent a couple of seasons playing there but this past year it seems he returned to attend a high school in Modesto as a junior. He did play in Generation Adidas Cup for Santos (guest player?). Maybe he wants to graduate from a USA high school and get a college scholarship. The Quakes would probably take him on their Next Pro team if he were interested.
     
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  23. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Or MLS buys or comes together with USL to have a legit 2nd division and just have a single playoff for last place MLS and First Place USL. MLS then doesn't just give up a slot and has a high percentage of staying in the league but gives USL some financial incentive bonus to USL playoff winner. Maybe 10 yrs off?
     
  24. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just scrap "Pay to Play" in Australia! Seems like a simplistic way to deal with underinvestment in a system. :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
     
  25. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    I can’t see the overwhelming majority of MLS owners agreeing with that TBH. I don’t think there is a a parachute payoff package that would be big enough or long enough.
     
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