Here it is the list (probably still incomplete) http://www.thememoryhole.org/corp/iraq-suppliers.htm Some news. http://www.democracynow.org/Zumach.htm http://www.democracynow.org/Zumach2.htm I see that the italian corporations aren't mentioned there but... here they are. http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36860 (italian) Le 9 società italiane erano piuttosto note: Ausidet (precursori del gas Sarin per Montedison), Montedison (precursori del Sarin per Melchemie), Snia Techint (gruppo Fiat, laboratori per armi chimiche al Saad 16 e cellule nucleari per Thuwaitha), Technipetrole (fabbrica di gas nervino di Alashat), Snia Bpd (combustibile solido per missili), Euromac (progetto nucleare), BNL (finanziamenti), Danieli (siderurgica acciai per il progetto missilistico Tadji), Ilva (acciaii e parti del supercannone con Società delle Fucine). Alan Friedman, nel suo libro (vedi fonti) riporta tra l'altro delle forti pressioni esercitate da Ronald Reagan su Giulio Andreotti per l'uso dell'Italia come appoggio per le forniture a Saddam (tra cui il missile Aspide della Alenia Difesa, Finmeccanica, tuttora in servizio). Nel febbraio 1994, la sussidiaria italiana della Bell Textron statunitense inviava 8 elicotteri militari AB 212 (per un contratto di 164 milioni di dollari). Long live democracy and free of speech, no censorship. We have the right to know.
Wow, US corporations supplied arms to Saddam Hussein. You, my friend, are a ground-breaking investigative journalist. Alex
US (not only US) corporations supplied arms to Saddam Hussein... yes, but arms of mass destruction, biological and chemical projects, nuclear projects. The wonders of free market. Yes back then he was a good dictator experimenting those arms with kurds and iranians.
Don't see a Canadian corperation on the list yet. Iraq did try to buy some of our CANDU nuclear reactors in the 70's and 80's. Thankfully, we learned from our dalings with India and said no to the sale.
The above is known as obfuscation for lack of an argument. If the original post listed each corporaton as a separate post, it would be worth the read if only to remind ourselves to master our house and our morality before projecting both a messy house and messy morality on an enitre world...
Accountability Goddamn, the more I look at it the more it seems to be so simple; a complete list of co-conspirators in Iranian, Kuwaiti and Kurd deaths along with my government. Maybe that's why the relativists haven't showed up to challenge it (except for one who tried to cover up no arguement with the old "attack the messenger strategy"). Often the most authentic truths are the simplest. Very simply, the above is a letter of indictment; had we a world court with any teeth, the US would have been hauled into court, along with all these entities, long ago...
My point was that it's not new news. And our house, while it may be messy, is a hell of a lot cleaner than 99.999% of the world. Alex
That's the same mistake the Democrats always make: When they are questioned about having a real agenda above and beyond New-Democratic fund-raising, and are attacked for their weak-ass stance on any issue of the masses (which they used to at least purport to represent), their response invariably is: "Do you know how bad the REBUBLICANS are on this?" You measure America relative to others; I submit that others are irrelevant in an assesment of the nation, particularly in light of the fact that we posit ourselves as an Enlightened beacon for others and for ourselves...we have yet to reach the standard we've so effectively "marketed" around the world, and so the fact that you perceive America as the "least failed" nation-state concept out there today doesn't really say much.
I see your point, but I don't believe that a perfect utopian world is possible (at least not until Christ comes back to Earth, and many people don't believe that). Humans are inherently imperfect, and as such any structure of government (whether nation-states or a one world government) will be imperfect. Look at it this way. Say you're a kid and you want to be a pro soccer player some day. You'll probably model yourself after a current pro player--say Ronaldo, because he's probably the best player in the world right now. So you watch Ronaldo play and you copy his moves in hopes that someday you will be as good as he is. However, Ronaldo is not a perfect player--it is impossible to be a perfect player, even Pele was not perfect--and just as you are striving to be like him he is striving to improve himself. Same thing with the US (and coutnries like us). We're not perfect, and we must continually strive to improve our own country, but at the same time we're damn good and we're a very good model for other countries to follow. Alex
Can America match the continuing transformation and evolution of the world around it? To me, the ONLY way America could submit that it's a good model for others to follow would be to make the notion that there is nothing "finished" about America its primary creed. Yet in forwarding what we are, and our developmental cycle as a derivative history and model, in believing that The American Man, Woman and Civilization is homo-sapien in "end-state," America creates a static illusion that sentences it to the fall of all the similar Empires before it...only this time, its likely a nuclear fall, and a nuclear winter for the world. Every empire changes, and most fall; history has been unequivocal about this. What change in the world will America, having set itself up as The Model, be able to internally and externally tolerate? Might America be able to look to other nations, or groups of nations, as they emerge with more embraced approaches, as the "way"? Given our reaction to the overwhelming will of the world as expressed through the United Nations currently, and not just over Iraq but the vast majority of issues, I think not. Indeed, if I were a betting man, I would wager much that the next "great" conflict will be between my nation, in her arrogance, and the United Nations, in its attempt to unify the world. And in that conflict, the question is this: even if the UN were right, does America have any institutional structures to allow the recognition thereof? Japan is a great example, a survival example. Can America survive NOT being the leader of the world, a position which is inevitably to come at some point? I think not. So much of our cultural, economic, and military positioning and belief comes from the notion that we have a Manifest Destiny to lead. When the world no longer wants that leadership, what will we do? The oscillation between empire-building and isolationism, in a dirty-nuke, post-9/11 world, is no longer possible...I don't have the answer, but my sense is that if my nation - hell, if my kids, and their friends, and their kids-don't find a way to transform America into one nation, instead of THE nation, thereby playing a role in the rising of "all other boats" so to speak, we are all in for some shit...
Re: Can America match the continuing transformation and evolution of the world around it? Dude, stop wringing your hands. You sound like a freaking pansy. Get off your soapbox.
Re: Re: Can America match the continuing transformation and evolution of the world around it? Starting any sentence of with "Dude" makes it impossible for you to be taken seriously as a man; instead, it reduces whatever you might say to a boyish context. Now, you might very well be a boy; if so, this is men's talk son...we'll let you know when you can speak... "DUDE, you sound like a freakin' pansy..." lol; what the f********* do you think that sounds like? Man, everyone here types something into the keyboard, but its amazing how some actually say something, and others nothing at all...
Re: Re: Re: Can America match the continuing transformation and evolution of the world around it? I need to talk down to your "level" so that you "get it". Your writing smacks of college-age, hemp-smoking, sandals and beads, hippie-wannabee type language...and, thus, "Dude" should be in your circle of lingo. Comprende, comrade?