The "Corona" Season

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Eddie K, Mar 10, 2020.

  1. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    We get it about the Cal D2s. They went to like option 4 or 5 and most schools are not there. They may be eventually but even the Cal St D1s are not there yet. If Fresno has Fall football, they are having Fall soccer. So, it is still possible that those Cal d2s went too early with their call. I think we would all love it if they did and we have Fall sports, even if shorter seasons and later than we planned. IMHO, I've said I don't think we'll have fall seasons but I think the majority of schools taking the 'wait and plan either way' path at this point are still correct.
    The Cal schools have the luxury of considering the 'all play in the Spring' semester option that is much much harder for schools in most regions of the country.
    Imagine if we somehow get a short Fall soccer season? I'd prefer to hang on to some hope for a few more weeks.
    The Ithaca model to start Oct 5 has some merit. It buys time for sure (maybe for a vaccine) but it is likely as late as you could start and still have a 7-8 week season with a short tournament. Certainly, if the decision progression gets to "how late can we start and have a fall sports experience", I think Oct 5th may be it before you go to an All-Play-Spring model. Some schools are considering going to Quarters and so maybe the first quarter is on-line but the 2nd quarter starts Oct 5th with sports?

    Frankly, every time I think about trying to keep kids in a campus or dorm 'bubble' to be safe from a virus, I think it's just not likely. Even if it was only athletes I don't see it happening. The ND President seems great but he doesn't have the big answers yet. Like, what happens if you have an outbreak of several hundred students? Can you be ready to treat that many or do you really send them home sick? I don't envy any of these decision makers right now.
     
  2. PoetryInMotion

    Feb 7, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I know this forum largely focuses on D-1 but D-2 did pass the one-year schedule reductions, so it’s officially 14 matches as the maximum for the regular season in 2020 (if it occurs). Even crazier, it allows a member to be eligible for national tournament selection (and sport sponsorship) by playing as few as 7 matches (which most conferences will not allow to happen). Just interesting.

    https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ch...rshipMaximumandMinimumContestRequirements.pdf
     
  3. SuperHyperVenom

    United States
    Jan 7, 2019
    The universities should modify their semester dates if possible. In the Autumn start earlier and end earlier (Aug to Thanksgiving) and in the Spring (Feb - June or March to July). This way no students on campus during the Winter/cold and flu season.
     
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  4. sockerdad06

    sockerdad06 Member

    Sep 12, 2004

    Where do you get this stuff from???????????????????


    If you look around our country - the response has been pretty well done. NY/ NJ didn't do a good job of implementing the guidelines - heck Cuomo and De Blasio were out there telling people not to close their public schools and to keep riding the subway. Cuomo forced covid positive patients back into nursing homes - directly killing thousands. [side note - Florida's De Santis signed an EO to NOT allow covid patients back into nursing homes]


    The critical 8 weeks that you talk about- Trump did act. [EVEN with the WHO saying no human-human spread and no big deal]

    -if he put a lockdown on the whole USA like a dictator on Feb 1st. The democrats especially would have called him hitler and complained.

    Here is what he did do

    1- he closed travel from the hot spots to non-americans.
    2- he instructed CDC/ NIH/ and private corps to develop an accurate test and asked congress for funds very early on [Nancy Pelosi told him no on the $$ for test research and said there was no issue] [ remember her going to China town??? - can you explain that]
    3- He did what a good president should do and provide guidance to the states. What is effective in wyoming may not be effective in NY.
    4- when asked for hospital capacity and ventilators - he tried to calm governors down by letting them know he had them covered. He did - NYC didn't need all the hospital beds/ ventilators that he provided.


    Testing - it makes Zero sense to ramp up production of a test that has an accuracy of 60-70%. It is worthless and a person with 1/2 a brain knows this.
    The early tests in other countries aren't accurate enough to give any sort of indication.


    so what should he have done differently?????????????????????
     
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  5. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    Take your crying somewhere else.

    with football able to begin workouts in June does anyone know when the same will happen with soccer?
     
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  6. ACrom

    ACrom New Member

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Apr 10, 2020
    Is NCAA trying to kill everyone? #StayHomeSaveLives
     
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  7. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You must be responding to sockerdad06.

    Don't forget about the "ignore" option on these forums. I have Holmes and sockerdad on ignore so that I never have to read the doltish drivel from either of them. It works great.
     
  8. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    Ha! How did you know?!!!

    so with no conference tournament can I book my fishing trip for November now or is there a high chance the season will
    Be delayed?
     
  9. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    If you read my comments about D2 earlier, I think that was a reasonable solution. Take a bit from everyone as a way to say, "we did out part" and hope to avoid entire sports being cut. It also makes the next possible option easier (all play in the Spring) with shorter seasons now on the books.
    Most D1s are driven by either FB revenue or the Hoops revenue but some smaller one's don't really need either and maybe have more flexibility. So far in D1, the schedule trimming seems to be for Fall sports only and done at the conference levels. (See A10) Minimizes travel but also expenses. I don't see the merit in just having a smaller conf tournament other than to provide another week for the regular season. If you're going to have a regular season, how does having one additional quarterfinal or not change much. That's not much to 'give back' to your school budget when its only 4 teams traveling. If you end up delaying the Fall start, then using those last 2 weeks for more regular season makes sense (and giving the regular season champ the auto bid). So conf tournaments should be all-or-nothing and at campus sites. Just IMHO.
     
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  10. PoetryInMotion

    Feb 7, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    This makes a lot of sense to me.

    The only pushback I have heard directly from coaches is trying to sell the “student-athlete experience” of conference tournaments. And, of course, middle/bottom teams trying to justify their season after 0-2, 0-3, 1-4, 2-4, 3-3 start which leads them with no path to the postseason 2-3 weeks into conference play. I actually think no conference tournaments will get better teams across the board to the tournament as there will be no “bid-stealing” in mid-major conference tournaments.

    I think it’s interesting that right now most D2/3 conferences plan on keeping their conference tournaments.
     
  11. Soccerguy1022

    Soccerguy1022 New Member

    Manchester City
    United States
    Nov 28, 2018
    SEC just voted to bring Football and MBB and WBB athletes back on campus June 8th... not a peep about soccer though...
     
  12. sockerdad06

    sockerdad06 Member

    Sep 12, 2004
    I think you will find that schools are allowing all athletes back on campus- some on June 1st under the normal rules. Voluntary for all but basketball and football.


    Thankfully - we are seeing real leaders as the fall sports should start on time.
     
  13. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    Big 12: The schedule, according to a statement on the Big 12's website, goes as follows: football players will be allowed to return to their respective campuses on June 15, volleyball, soccer and cross country student-athletes can return on July 1, and all other student-athletes will be allowed back on July 15.
     
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  14. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana BigSoccer Supporter

    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm in MWC/WCC-land and I'm finding nothing on return/reopen.
     
  15. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana BigSoccer Supporter

    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    actually, I went to a Big Sky school. I need to check that out. ETA: Nothing. Just notice of shortened BB schedule.
     
  16. sokarcrazy

    sokarcrazy Member

    Dec 19, 2005
    The Big Sky has dropped their tournament, unfortunate but true.
     
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  17. PoetryInMotion

    Feb 7, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
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  18. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana BigSoccer Supporter

    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahh, AOK. Not sure how I missed that.

    S'OK. Better than nothing
     
  19. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    One of the biggest adjustments to be made in light of the current situation is the reduction of scholarship dollars. Typically the biggest year to year expenses for program operations are salaries, travel expenses, and scholarship dollars. It’s good we haven’t seen any women’s soccer programs being cut but I know of programs reducing budgets (impacting travel and why a number of 2020 games are being dropped) and also some salary reductions for coaches. Not as well documented yet are drops to scholarship $. Those scholarship reductions will happen to a good number of programs and will seriously affect what is available for the next cycle of offers than can be given out which would be to the 2022 grads. Think that college coaches as well as the club coaches and most importantly the 2022 prospects are going to have to temper their expectations in light of the new financial reality. May be quite a few programs that won’t have the typical full 14 scholarships as they had before.
     
  20. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I very much doubt the WHO ever said 'no big deal' or 'no human spread.'

    As for what Trump should have done differently: He should have developed into a mature, respectable man with a grounding in ethical behavior oh, about 50 years ago. Didn't happy and so we have a pathologically dishonest, deeply corrupt clown/mobster in the white house.
     
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  21. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    Can you tell us what you base these scholarship reductions on? Your hunch or fact?
     
  22. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am wondering regarding scholarship dollars. Am I right that they really are not dollars being spent? In other words, the athlete on scholarship simply is getting her education but not paying for it -- rather than being given money. If I am right, scholarships are a whole different thing than salaries, travel expenses, and so on, all of which involve dollars being spent.
     
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  23. Soccccer

    Soccccer New Member

    Manchester City
    United States
    Yesterday
    Any idea if teams will have there international players back in time for the season? If not, it will make a huge difference.
     
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  24. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    **Caveat- not having Fall seasons would change all this. If you don't pay for room/board, that likely covers much if not all of any scholarships cuts.

    On Scholarships - I think it will become a big issue as they can be a huge % of a schools budget - depending on the school. 2 scholarships at a 50K private is one well paid 100K coach (or 2 assistants). That 100K could be the entire travel budget for a school even at some P5s. Some mid-majors are restructuring schedules with no, or few, overnights. It is true that scholarships are not always Direct budget transfers at some schools but they are that at many. (NC famously stopped letting schools just waive tuition charges and has made their State schools pay for the full cost of athletic scholarships. Privates have much more discretion how they do their internal accounting.)
    My guess is that most cuts will take the form of 'across the board' in that a school will impose a 10 or 20% cut and I asked the question in an earlier post how college coaches would handle this. Could it spark some transfers or changing commitments - no doubt. Kids can just get on the portal and test the market now and see what interest/offers they get. This can happen over the summer at some schools without permission or even having to notify the coach. Kids are doing this regardless of the pandemic.

    Internationals- Major problem for New students. Could be fine for returning students who already have their visa as long as they can travel and afford it. Some schools helped pay to send their internationals home and may help them return. The quote below is from a very recent survey of schools. The article also stated that China accounts for 30% of international enrollment. This will likely dramatically affect stem and research schools. S. Cal has over 10K internationals (including graduate and prof schools).

    "Moreover, 70% of colleges expect travel restrictions and visa delays will prevent some international students from coming to their campuses in the fall..."
    (from Inst of International Education)
     
  25. Germans4Allies4

    Jan 9, 2010
    I heard a podcast with NC State coach. He mentioned that his 3 incoming internationals are not coming in Fall and the 3 returners are still on US travel restriction list at this time. Without any of them, he said roster would be below 20 players.
     

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