The Continuing California Proposition Thread

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Smurfquake, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Prop 45 is generating huge amounts of "No" adverts and crap through my letterbox. That's a sure fire sign that some vested interests don't like it and thus a good candidate for voting "Yes" on.
     
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  2. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999

    I sat down with my sample ballot and the great internet machine. Here's how I see it ...


    1 - Yes (Everyone is for it.)
    2 - Yes (Everyone is for this one too.)
    45 - Yes (More power to the Insurance Commissioner!)
    46 - No (This is the most asinine proposition in years.)
    47 - Yes (My local police chief is opposed. I think I'll vote yes.)
    48 - No (I'm just plain opposed to casinos.)

    @Smurfquake was undecided about 2. He should be for it.

    And he was in favor of 48. I'm happy to cancel his vote.
     
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  3. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana St. Louis City

    St. Louis City SC
    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I'm in favor of every single question on here, but once the ballot comes, of course the language is going to throw a kink into what I think. So, I think I'll just spend my stomach-flu-determined day tomorrow researching this garbage on the web. I swear, I have never not been underprepared for the vote despite very sincere efforts.
     
  4. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As a CA voter I will say yes to Prop 1,2 and 47. I will say no to 45, 46 and 48
     
  5. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Some people are saying that 45 will interfere with implementation of Obamacare. I wonder if that will get some Republicans to vote Yes.
     
  6. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes on 1 and 2, No on the rest.

    I was conflicted on 47 (I agree that some felonies targeted by this proposition should be lowered to misdemeanors, but others should remain felonies. For example, some types of theft, like stealing guns, should remain felonies regardless of the cost of the gun.) There has to be a better way to get around the three strikes law.
     
  7. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like repealing it?
     
  8. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Maybe, but I would advocate limiting strikes, including the third one, to certain types of very serious crimes.

    Not all felonies are created equally, and the three strikes law was created because there was a problem in California. There are in fact certain types of crimes which if a person commits several times they should remain in custody, and society should be protected from the whims of an overly lenient judge. I think there are plenty of lenient judges in California, but I would say only a few types of crimes should qualify as strikes. The current law overreaches by a lot.
     
  9. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is the problem still there? If we were to stop putting people away after three felonies, would the crime rate skyrocket again? That seems to me to be the barometer of whether or not the law deserves to be in place.
     
  10. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #135 argentine soccer fan, Nov 4, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2014
    Well, I can argue that because of the three strikes law some dangerous criminals are behind bars and not committing crimes, so that's a positive. But by the same token, many other people are behind bars now who arguably should have been released sooner, and that is unacceptable.

    And it's hard to quantify, but savvy District Attorneys know how to use the threat of a strike to get people to plea bargain, when perhaps they might have fought the case otherwise. People might think they have a shot to fight a case, but the threat of a strike leads them to not want to take the risk.

    So yeah, the three strikes law should not exist in its current form. But I do think in the case of certain specific violent crimes a form of it could be beneficial in order to protect society from overly lenient judges who give breaks to violent criminals with priors.
     
  11. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the fix, then? I don't know - I'm honestly asking.
     
  12. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'd say limit the assignment of strikes to those violent crimes that truly warrant it. In theory those crimes already carry long prison sentences, but judges can and do sometimes get creative with minimum sentences, concurrent sentences, credits for time served, credits for programs etc.
     
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  13. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Just yesterday I papered over my paint station with Prop 45 mailers. The thick glossy paper is great for protecting my table from airbrush spray and is easy to wipe clear of dust.
     
  14. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I beleive that the 3 strike laws were amended by a proposition in 2012.
     
  15. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The thing is, this is basically the health care version of Prop 103, and that worked well for car insurance.

    Yes, this means I've just started doing research on this stuff now.
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Not amended enough
     
  17. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #142 argentine soccer fan, Nov 5, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2014
    Sadly for California trial lawyers and Indian Casino operators, they wont get their bonanza. But on the bright side, a lot of Californians charged with felonies woke up today accused only of misdemeanors.
     
  18. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
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    FC Edmonton
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    Happy to not pay more for your Big Gulp as well?
     
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  19. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I quit sodas some time ago. It's done wonders for my health.
     
  20. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    ... bump ...

    Shouldn't we talk about the proposed “Sodomite Suppression Act” (PDF)?

    No, it probably won't make the ballot, but still it raises some issues:

    California proposal to legalize killing gays hard to stop
    -- Sacramento Bee

    Part of me thinks this is good. More shit like this and maybe we'll smarten up and get rid of the initiative process in general. Or at least make it much, much, much harder to get crap like this on the ballot.
     
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  21. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That's what I say! If our representatives in Sacramento did their job as they are supposed to, they would have already suppressed sodomites. We wouldn't need the initiative process.

    Joking, joking. :D
     
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  22. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Unless you live in CA you probably shouldn't meddle into our affairs. I think in 2016 a Marijuana legalization bill will be on the ballot. In 2010 I voted yes I will probably vote No in 2016.
     
  23. El Chuma

    El Chuma BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Diego
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Legalize it; its a fing plant for gods sake...
     
  24. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just wanted to mention this, in case Big Sis is a BS lurker: America is a Melting Pot.
     
  25. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    #150 Knave, Apr 11, 2016
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