The Coming ‘Golden Generation’ Will Not Accomplish What the 2002 Team Accomplished

What culture change do you want to see?
We don't develop those types of players anymore.

 

In general.
In soccer, we have lost that killer mentality

 

What killer mentality?

What are you talking about?

 

And this is something that concerns me. But first, let me clarify that I NOT against having the dual nats. If you qualify by birth/passport or whatever it takes and want to play for the USMNT, I welcome you with open arms. You are an American and can play for our team. My issue is that we have these guys and their club resumes to go along with them, but they are not a product of US soccer. (The game in the US, not the organization.)

Dest: American, not a US product
Robinson: American, not a US product
Musah: American, not a US product
Weah: American, not a US product
Balogun: American, not a US product

A reliance on dual-nats developed by other countries is not a particularly sustainable plan. I'd love to see us get to the point where we have 11 starting players that first kicked the ball in the US. If they go to a European academy in their mid-teens, I would still consider that an American product. If they were born in the US but lived in England from the age of 6 months on, it's not fair to use them as an example of the US getting better at soccer.

Bring on the dual-nats, but let's grow some more here at home.

 

Do you have a link for that?

I’m just making the point that you’re defining a term without a definition and then using your own definition in the debate.

 

They are for the region in question. Except maybe in Oceania. I can’t imagine New Zealand beating up on tiny island nations is any good.

 

So you would have taken Rossi to Germany in 2006? Holy smokes. That would have been TERRIBLE for team morale.

 

Meh, he was probably a better player at his position than most within the program, then or now.

I get that you must genuflect before Arena at all times, but if he had been able to recruit duals better, the program would have been better. Do you disagree?

 

Not when members, not just the US, don't bring all of their best players.

 

LOL he had 5 first team appearances at that point. And from Wikipedia, at least 2 of them were against lower level teams in cup competitions.

But yeah, sure, he was better than Dempsey and Donovan at their peaks.

 

yes they are

 

I mean, you're gonna argue that "team morale" would have suffered if Golden gods like (snicker) Brian Ching were passed over for Rossi back in '06?

Ok.

"Team morale" is one thing, but then having "moar gooder" players is "moar gooder" for your team.

 

A lot to unpack in your post, but if recruiting duals for Argentina (Garnacho), and Spain (LeNormand) works for them, I'd say its ok for the US.

Whats more, we have decades of evidence that the pay-to-play format for youth soccer and the middling quality of MLS academies as dual barriers to that happening any time soon.

 

The amount of sneering you do in posts is inversely proportional to the amount of knowledge and facts you rely on in making those posts.

Most folks would just take the L, admit they had forgotten the particulars of the Rossi situation.

 

Weah grew up in Brooklyn, other than a year in Florida, and spent a year at New York Red Bulls academy.

 

So you not only genuflect before Arena, you prostrate yourself before him. And you would argue that Brian Ching > Giuseppe Rossi.

Got it.

 

Not what I wrote. The words are there for anyone to read.

Again, just admit you were shooting your mouth off and got it wrong. It’s ok. Nothing bad will happen to you.

 

It's almost like you're responding to a different thread than anyone else.

 

I hope no one got the idea I'm against recruiting dual nats. At the sme time, I don't think those countries have starting lineups that are potentially 50% dual nats.

 

Well, I should have done better with that one.

 

Sorry to nitpick. Weah grew up in Rosedale, Queens.

 

France's national team would be mostly dual nationals, but I know that is not what you meant. For a team like France, it is very rare for them to have players who did not grow up in the country. Lucas and Theo Hernandez grew up in Spain because their father finished his soccer career there. And Michael Olise grew up in England.

 

0 England players over the last 140 years were born and raised in Ireland.
At least 97 Irish internationals were born and raised in England.

There's a reason for that.