The Cavan Sullivan Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Maximum Optimal, Apr 10, 2022.

  1. Coolwhip

    Coolwhip Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone know if there's a schedule or streaming?
     
  2. CA23

    CA23 Member

    Jan 9, 2015
    If there is a schedule it is not easy to find.

    AI told me:

    I found the schedule for the 2024 Václav Ježek Tournament. Here are the matches for the U.S. Under-17 Men’s Youth National Team:

    • Wednesday, September 4: USA vs. Germany at Mikulov Stadium – 10 a.m. ET
    • Friday, September 6: USA vs. Czech Republic at Mikulov Stadium – 10 a.m. ET
    • Sunday, September 8: USA vs. Slovakia at Mikulov Stadium – 10 a.m. ET12
    All matches will be streamed on InSports TV for a small fee2.

    Are you excited to see how the team performs this year?
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How come no one is complaining about this kid being too young for LigaMX?
    I blame Don Garber

     
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  4. Coolwhip

    Coolwhip Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    He has played really well against two U18 national teams.
     
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  7. Coolwhip

    Coolwhip Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  8. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    If any coach coaches the creativity out of him they will have to meet me in an alley
     
  9. Dr. Soccer90

    Dr. Soccer90 Member

    Nov 10, 2011
    In truth, nobody was really complaining too much about 15.5 year olds to 16 year olds debuting. In-fact, i myself stated it would be nice for Cavan to debut in MLS around this age if he was just too good for any league lower.

    So what was the fuss about? Its simply about setting a future threshold because at some point there should be one. Age 14 was just an arbitrary number for the threshold related to the fact that 15/16 year olds are now more debuting/playing for whatever reasons they are (including marketing). If 14/15 year olds, were starting to debut/play more frequently, i would have made the arbitrary number 13 years old.

    Now do i think that Cavan Sullivan had the mental fortitude & soccer talent to play some games in MLS even at 12-years old? Actually Yes. Should he have? No.

    What if i was somebody who was always recognized for having immense mental fortitude since childhood (so i can recognize fearless children who can even play pro sports), & yet I still hope to see some future understood threshold in place?

    Because at some point, when is it crossing the line?

    Now, Is it the end of the world? No.

    But dont you think it would be a little odd to see a decent amount of 11/12/13 year olds playing in the pro- soccer leagues? they seem to be getting younger as the years go on.

    Anyway,

    In regards to Sullivan, i thought he was the best and most talented player on the pitch (even at 14 years old) vs Germany U-18. it was not even close.

    Im curious to see what Philadelphia Union does here. I think it would still be best for him to play in Philly II for the rest of the season & then over the winter break, maybe train in Europe for a period (and play in some games if he is allowed) with Manchester City U-18's. Come March 2025, Sullivan starts making some more MLS minutes but also is still playing US U-17's/ some reserve ball further into 2025.
     
  10. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Philadelphia will integrate him into the first team next pre-season. He's going to play for the first team, probably emerge as a starter during the first half of the season.

    They will probably release him for the U17 qualifying tournament. That's consistent with their general approach to international tournaments. But a strong case can be made that his development is best served by not disrupting his integration into the first team. Other teams with a different philosophy would not release him under those circumstances.
     
  11. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Keep in mind Man City will now have a big say over the decisions. Most big Euro clubs have no real affinity towards their prospects playing CONCACAF youth matches against island nations.
     
  12. McKenniesWeah

    McKenniesWeah Member

    New England
    United States
    Feb 12, 2024
    Possibly, but I don’t think they’ll start exacting on Philly until he’s a proven first team starter in MLS. Even then the level of play is so far from the quality of Man City that they’d likely look at him as a commodity to sell later on with a stretch goal of becoming a squad player.
     
  13. Dr. Soccer90

    Dr. Soccer90 Member

    Nov 10, 2011
    Even If Cavan starts getting more minutes in March 2025, reserve ball should still be a necessary supplemental path for 2025.

    Cavan at this age will need the minutes. He will need the in-game scenario repetition. More minutes against lesser competition = more opportunities, more shots (more confidence for both feet), more chances to take the lead on decision making.

    if he is hitting 10-30 minutes the first few months of the 2025 MLS season, 60-90 reserve minutes to supplement his growth, is still a good idea.
     
  14. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    No doubt. Jumping from where he is to exclusively playing in MLS seems like it would be a colossal mistake. It seems just as silly to worry about this as it is to anticipate him playing in the 2026 World Cup.

    I don't think many people are doing either of those things, but if they were... BS would be the place to discuss, and that's why this place is great.
     
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  15. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    I think he is going to mostly play MLS next season.
     
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  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is he with the MLS team if he never plays? 0 minutes since his debut...

    Instead he gets like two games a month in MLS Next Pro.... is that enough?

     
  17. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    both lefties, the same height

    the story writes itself
     
  18. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    He just got back from international duty in Europe where he started two games and subbed into a third. This was only the second MLS game that he's traveled for.
     
  19. Dynamo Kev

    Dynamo Kev Member

    Oct 24, 2000
    Union 2 play in Miami tonight, so he was going regardless.
     
  20. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    I have no idea what his long term path looks like, but it seems clear that Cavan should be focusing on the U17 World Cup right now. He just crushed it in his first U17 camp, and more experience with that team in meaningful competitions could be great for him.

    It seems like next year at 15 years old is too soon to expect a big contribution to the first team, but I still hope we get to see a bunch of sparks from him in MLS.
     
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  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the next milestones are U17 qualifying, making more regular appearances with the first team and showing flashes, and whether he’s good enough for the U20 World Cup team next year.
     
  23. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Good point. Whether it's with the 17s or 20s, one of those World Cups seems like it should take priority over the course of next season.
     
  24. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It wasn't his best game. As a matter of fact, I thought the entire team looked pretty poor. That being said, even when he doesn't have a standout performance he still does certain things that actually standout. Which is a very good sign IMO. I am very impressed w/ his speed of thought. He really does well w/ quick touches/flicks and the pace/technique on his thru passes to overlapping runners is mature.... In this one he had a perfect flick w/ the outside if his left foot while facing his own goal that put his forward alone in the box. Unfortunately, said forward hesitated and allowed the D to cover instead of shooting right away.

    I do wonder if CAM is the right position for him... If he is willing to do the work to be a good defender he could be a heck of an 8.
     
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  25. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    You could be right, but I think where maybe your line of thinking is slightly flawed is that you are expecting him to progress very normally for the typical prospect.

    We are talking about a player that is regarded by everyone as the best around in this country and a player that there is actually real incentive to play for his club much more so than any other young prospect due to his salary.

    He already looks like one of the best players on the U-17 team, and I think it's a little misleading to say it's his first U-17 camp. They just changed the name of the age group from U-15 to U-17. He's always been part of this '08 age group. We've already seen one of the players from this U-17 cycle promoted up to the U-20's (Berchimas), and while Sullivan is a year younger, I think it'd be hard to suggest that Berchimas is demonstrably outperforming Sullivan right now in their club careers. Further, Sullivan is playing very well in MLSNP to the point where he doesn't look like he *needs* an extra season or two there.

    Some may opt to be cautious, but like I said, there's every incentive for Philadelphia Union to play him with the first team next season if he remotely looks like he's earned it. Once you get to a player who is playing regular first team games (if that's what he's doing next season), that's not a player who's going to be playing U-17 National Team games because he won't be released for a U-17 National Team and because he might also belong with a higher age group.
     
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