The Cavan Sullivan Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Maximum Optimal, Apr 10, 2022.

  1. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
  2. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  3. Pl@ymaker

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    Feb 8, 2010
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  4. xbhaskarx

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    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't really care about all the PR stunts as long as he is starting regularly which he now is
     
  5. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Good to know.
     
  6. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Hmmm... kinda weird that the only Philly2 player that has a first team number is a 14 yo. Is this in his contract? Is this his number of choice or will he change if a more traditional number for his position becomes available? I'm sure they know what they are doing.
     
  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly one of the things about being a star player is whether you can do all that sort of stuff without it going to your head and while remaining focused on the actual playing part.

    And if he’s as good as everyone hopes there’s going to be alot of those sorts of PR commitments.
     
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  9. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    You don't see anything POTENTIALLY concerning in this situation?
     
  10. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty amazing that he doesn't look out of place at all playing against guys in their 20s. Kind of thought they would be playing him a bit higher up the field on O.... seems to be more of a provider at this point... but very clean on the ball and doesn't look at all adversely phased by the pace/physicality of the game. I know a lot of people are looking for the scoring stats but for me I am more interested in consistency and the ability to keep possession and break lines. So far so good.
     
  11. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    i keep telling y'all he's 8ish
     
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  12. Coolwhip

    Coolwhip Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty good vid for those like me who weren't able to watch his first start live:

     
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  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1788 gomichigan24, Jun 17, 2024
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    Just a note that Lamine Yamal debuted for Spain (and started) at the Euros at the age of 16 years and 338 days old. His first start for them came in a Euro qualifier at the age of 16 years and 52 days old (and of the 6 games he’s played since then he’s started 4 of them, along with one game where he never got off the bench).

    By comparison by the first game of the World Cup, Cavan Sullivan will be 16 years and 258 days old by my count.
     
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  14. Clint Eastwood

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    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    FC Dallas
    #1789 Clint Eastwood, Jun 17, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2024
    If he's good enough; he's old enough.

    It'll probably be a little too soon. Probably.
    We can see the ages that recent teens have made their debuts at for the USMNT.
    Pulisic and Reyna types. Pulisic debuted at 17 years 193 days.
    Reyna and Musah were both 17. Pepi was 18.

    That's more typical.................................

    But we've got 2 years to go. We'll just have to see how he advances.

    What's the consternation above about a first team number? I don't get it.

    He's on a first team contract. He's made the bench for the first team.
    That's why he has a first team number.

    Its...................just a number.

    And I fully expect him to make a first team debut this summer. Maybe it'll be in the Leagues Cup or something.
     
  15. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    I actually wrote about this topic last week.

    If he’s on the Adu trajectory (the one Adu never continued on after his first few years), he can easily debut at age 16. Adu did. Adu then never followed that up.

    My conclusion was it’s unlikely to expect, but it’s not impossible.
     
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  16. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    There's also a difference between making a debut and being named to a home World Cup squad!

    Lamine Yamal played in effin' 50 games for effin' Barcelona this year.
    So its not like his inclusion is some sort of "roll of the dice."

    We'll see where Sullivan is, but its a long-shot. We can't look at the exceptions like Yamal and expect that. Particularly 2 years out.
     
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  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not saying he will make it. He probably won’t. But he also doesn’t have to be the level of Yamal to do so. Our pool is weaker than Spain so that standard for making the team won’t be be good enough to start for Spain. A lot will also depend on if the squad size is 23 or 26.
     
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  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    FC Dallas
    Sure, but are any of attacking players going somewhere? Most are young or will be in their primes come 2026. So yes, any young player (not just Cavan)...........does have a pretty good bar to overcome. Are Reyna and Tillman going somewhere?

    The bar is higher than we give ourselves credit for.

    I'm not saying Sullivan doesn't have the potential to exceed that bar. Its just that the likelihood of him doing it in order to make the 2026 WC squad is slim.
     
  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well this is why it makes a big difference if it’s a 26 man roster or not. And he doesn’t need to surpass someone like Pulisic or Reyna but someone like Aaronson or LDLT which is feasible (and who themselves might get surpassed by other players in 2026).

    It’s still more likely than not that he doesn’t make it. But that would be the pathway.
     
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  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We all agree with each other but are arguing anyway. :) :)

    Brenden Aaronson played last season in the Bundesliga and Luca de la Torre played in La Liga.
    Its more than likely Cavan Sullivan won't have played a game in Europe by WC26.
    Heck, its possible he won't have moved to Europe yet.
    And that's even if he's the prospect we think he is.

    All I'm saying is the bar in 2024 is higher than we give ourselves credit for.
     
  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brandon Aaronson started about half the games for a team that barely avoided relegation while LDLT played for a team in La Liga that wasn’t the greatest. Not all top 5 league clubs are the same and both have their spots under threat between now and 2026 (not necessarily from Cavan Sullivan).

    But if Cavan Sullivan is at least a Pulisic or Reyna level talent he’s probably showing it in MLS by the World Cup and such a talent is definitely good enough to make a 26 man roster. Obviously though he’s got to show it first.
     
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  22. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Yes. If he develops on a similar trajectory, at 16 he should be doing in MLS what Pulisic and Reyna did at Dortmund at age 17.
     
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  23. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
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    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brazil used to bring one of their young hotshots to get WC experience just sitting on the Bench. That was with 23 players (or less don't know long it's been 23). Sullivan could get that treatment but I doubt as the culture's are different. @6 does make a difference though as players can be brought as specialists and other reasons that they wouldn't at 23. Super long shot but as Jim Carrey famously said .....
     
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  24. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    I know they did that with OG ronaldo right? But he is legendary for how good he was.
     
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  25. Coolwhip

    Coolwhip Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe a different culture, but a whole lot more money will want to see Cavan there (MLS, City football group, etc) I can see it happening
     

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