Since the start of the Bundesliga in 1963, "kicker" magazine has chronicled the events faithfully in a multitude of ways. One of their most prominent features is the weekly rating of individual players' performances after each matchday. What they use to evaluate is the German schoolsystem grade rating, where the best performance equals "1" and the worst equals "6". On their website, Kicker recently published the average grades per season of all players since 1963 and this is a short overview of the results: Best-Rated Field Players season - avg. grade - best player 1963-64 1.50 Werner KRÄMER 1964-65 1.70 Klaus-Dieter SIELOFF 1965-66 1.40 Josef MARX 1966-67 1.67 Franz BECKENBAUER 1967-68 1.52 Joachim BÄSE 1968-69 1.58 Franz BECKENBAUER 1969-70 1.50 Franz BECKENBAUER 1970-71 1.76 Franz BECKENBAUER 1971-72 1.91 Franz BECKENBAUER 1972-73 1.82 Berti VOGTS 1973-74 1.79 Franz BECKENBAUER 1974-75 1.79 Berti VOGTS 1975-76 1.79 Berti VOGTS 1976-77 1.96 Berti VOGTS 1977-78 2.03 Bernard DIETZ 1978-79 1.94 Kevin KEEGAN 1979-80 1.87 Paul BREITNER 1980-81 2.16 Bruno PEZZEY 1981-82 2.18 Rolf RÜSSMANN 1982-83 2.09 Dieter BAST 1983-84 2.07 Matthias HERGET 1984-85 2.46 Sören LERBY 1985-86 2.27 Norbert MEIER 1986-87 2.50 Uwe RAHN 1987-88 2.33 Jürgen KOHLER 1988-89 2.50 Rune BRATSETH 1989-90 2.54 Guido BUCHWALD 1990-91 2.48 Ralf FALKENMAYER 1991-92 2.48 Uwe BEIN 1992-93 2.56 Uwe BEIN 1993-94 2.42 Lothar MATTHÄUS 1994-95 2.17 Matthias SAMMER 1995-96 2.67 Dietmar BEIERSDORFER 1996-97 2.52 Dariusz WOSZ 1997-98 2.60 Olaf MARSCHALL 1998-99 2.78 Jens NOWOTNY 1999-00 2.64 EMERSON 2000-01 2.95 Sergej BARBAREZ 2001-02 2.68 Torsten FRINGS 2002-03 2.84 Willy SAGNOL 2003-04 2.70 LUCIO 2004-05 2.79 Fabian ERNST 2005-06 2.38 Miroslav KLOSE 2006-07 2.74 Torsten FRINGS 2007-08 2.54 Franck RIBÉRY 2008-09 2.53 Vehad IBISEVIC 2009-10 2.48 Arjen ROBBEN Best-Rated Goalkeepers 1963-64 1.83 Manfred PAUL 1964-65 1.76 Hans TILKOWSKI 1965-66 1.58 Sepp MAIER 1966-67 1.66 Horst WOLTER 1967-68 1.84 Horst WOLTER 1968-69 1.71 Volkmar GROSS 1969-70 1.85 Sepp MAIER 1970-71 2.00 Volker DANNER 1971-72 2.03 Norbert NIGBUR 1972-73 1.85 Bernd FRANKE 1973-74 1.88 Norbert NIGBUR 1974-75 2.00 Bernd FRANKE 1975-76 2.00 Rudi KARGUS 1976-77 1.65 Volkmar GROSS 1977-78 1.91 Ronnie HELLSTRÖM 1978-79 1.91 Dieter BURDENSKI 1979-80 2.11 Norbert NIGBUR 1980-81 2.13 Heinz-Josef KOITKA 1981-82 1.94 Bernd FRANKE 1982-83 2.00 Bernd FRANKE 1983-84 2.18 Harald SCHUMACHER 1984-85 2.38 Gerald EHRMANN 1985-86 2.35 Dieter BURDENSKI 1986-87 2.13 Uwe KAMPS 1987-88 2.38 Andreas KÖPKE 1988-89 2.42 Gerald EHRMANN 1989-90 2.50 Uli STEIN 1990-91 2.50 Uli STEIN 1991-92 2.32 Uli STEIN 1992-93 2.35 Uli STEIN 1993-94 2.39 Oliver KAHN 1994-95 2.71 Uli STEIN 1995-96 2.53 Georg KOCH 1996-97 2.55 Oliver KAHN 1997-98 2.69 Oliver KAHN 1998-99 2.63 Gintaras STAUCE 1999-00 2.67 Oliver KAHN 2000-01 2.75 Oliver KAHN 2001-02 2.66 Oliver KAHN 2002-03 2.66 Rein VAN DUIJNHOVEN 2003-04 2.74 Rein VAN DUIJNHOVEN 2004-05 2.58 Roman WEIDENFELLER 2005-06 2.65 Roman WEIDENFELLER 2006-07 2.61 Manuel NEUER 2007-08 2.62 Diego BENAGLIO 2008-09 2.67 Robert ENKE 2009-10 2.83 Heinz MÜLLER 1963-64 Field players 1.50 Werner Krämer 1.67 Uwe Seeler 1.70 Walter Schmidt 1.73 Josef Marx 1.79 Gustav Witlatschil Goalies 1.83 Manfred Paul 1.86 Hans Tilkowski 1.86 Hans Jäcker 1.90 Günter Sawitzki 1.90 Petar Radenkovic 1964-65 Field players 1.70 Klaus-Dieter Sieloff 1.77 Walter Schmidt 1.78 Werner Krämer 1.79 Uwe Seeler 1.84 Hans-Jürgen Neumann Goalies 1.76 Hans Tilkowski 1.80 Wolfgang Fahrian 1.90 Horst Kirsch 1.96 Roland Wabra 2.00 Hans Jäcker 1965-66 Field players 1.40 Josef Marx 1.67 Franz Beckenbauer 1.76 Zeljko Perusic 1.81 Günter Netzer 1.82 Klaus Fichtel Goalies 1.58 Sepp Maier 1.71 Günter Bernard 1.80 Dr. Peter Kunter 1.85 Günter Sawitzki 1.86 Manfred Paul 1966-67 Field players 1.67 Franz Beckenbauer 1.82 Walter Schmidt 1.84 Wolfgang Weber 1.85 Josef Marx 1.92 Ferdinand Wenauer Goalies 1.66 Horst Wolter 1.79 Sepp Maier 1.86 Hermann Ross 1.91 Siegfried Kessler 1.92 Petar Radenkovic 1967-68 Field players 1.52 Joachim Bäse 1.74 Günter Netzer 1.74 Berti Vogts 1.81 Franz Beckenbauer 1.85 Klaus Fichtel Goalies 1.84 Horst Wolter 1.85 Petar Radenkovic 1.85 Roland Wabra 1.90 Jürgen Rynio 2.03 Volkmar Danner 1968-69 Field players 1.58 Franz Beckenbauer 1.65 Berti Vogts 1.74 GünterNetzer 1.79 Klaus Fichtel 1.90 Zeljko Perusic Goalies 1.71 Volkmar Gross 1.94 Manfred Manglitz 1.96 Jürgen Rynio 1.96 Horst Wolter 1.97 Gerhard Heinze 1969-70 Field players 1.50 Franz Beckenbauer 1.82 Berti Vogts 1.90 Günter Netzer 2.03 Klaus-Dieter Sieloff 2.03 Wolfgang Overath Goalies 1.85 Sepp Maier 1.88 Manfred Manglitz 2.03 Petar Radenkovic 2.05 Volkmar Gross 2.09 Norbert Nigbur 1970-71 Field players 1.76 Franz Beckenbauer 1.91 Berti Vogts 1.94 Günter Netzer 1.96 Klaus Fichtel 2.00 Jürgen Friedrich Goalies 2.00 Volker Danner 2.03 Norbert Nigbur 2.04 Dr. Peter Kunter 2.09 Volkmar Gross 2.09 Sepp Maier 1971-72 Field players 1.91 Franz Beckenbauer 1.93 Günter Netzer 2.12 Klaus Fichtel 2.16 Klaus-Dieter Sieloff 2.17 Rolf Rüssmann Goalies 2.03 Norbert Nigbur 2.08 Bernd Franke 2.16 Dieter Burdenski 2.19 Dr. Peter Kunter 2.32 Gerhard Welu 1972-73 Field players 1.82 Berti Vogts 1.88 Franz Beckenbauer 1.96 Rolf Rüssmann 2.13 Jupp Kapellmann 2.15 Uwe Kliemann Goalies 1.85 Bernd Franke 1.93 Günter Bernard 2.03 Gerhard Heinze 2.06 Norbert Nigbur 2.17 Dietmar Linders 1973-74 Field players 1.79 Franz Beckenbauer 2.06 Jürgen Grabowski 2.15 Bernard Dietz 2.19 Berti Vogts 2.22 Rainer Bonhof Goalies 1.88 Norbert Nigbur 2.00 Franz-Josef Pauly 2.12 Dietmar Linders 2.18 Werner Scholz 2.19 Wilfried Woyke 1974-75 Field players 1.79 Berti Vogts 1.88 Franz Beckenbauer 1.97 Jürgen Grabowski 2.09 Bernard Dietz 2.09 Manfred Ritschel Goalies 2.00 Bernd Franke 2.03 Ronnie Hellström 2.09 Sepp Maier 2.15 Werner Scholz 2.22 Gerhard Heinze 1975-76 Field players 1.79 Berti Vogts 1.88 Franz Beckenbauer 1.97 Bernard Dietz 2.03 Willi Neuberger 2.16 Per Roentved Goalies 2.00 Rudi Kargus 2.03 Bernd Franke 2.06 Sepp Maier 2.09 Dieter Burdenski 2.12 Ronnie Hellström 1976-77 Field players 1.96 Berti Vogts 2.00 Franz Beckenbauer 2.12 Allan Simonsen 2.12 Rainer Bonhof 2.17 Bernd Hölzenbein Goalies 1.65 Volkmar Gross 1.88 Bernd Franke 1.97 Norbert Nigbur 2.00 Dieter Burdenski 2.00 Dieter Ferner 1977-78 Field players 2.03 Bernard Dietz 2.06 Rolf Rüssmann 2.21 Karlheinz Förster 2.21 Franz-Josef Tenhagen 2.21 Berti Vogts Goalies 1.91 Ronnie Hellström 2.00 Dieter Burdenski 2.12 Norbert Nigbur 2.12 Helmut Roleder 2.13 Bernd Franke 1978-79 Field players 1.94 Kevin Keegan 2.15 Dieter Bast 2.15 Bernd Martin 2.24 Klaus Fichtel 2.28 Gerd Zewe Goalies 1.91 Dieter Burdenski 2.00 Ronnie Hellström 2.06 Norbert Nigbur 2.12 Uli Stein 2.26 Rudi Kargus 1979-80 Field players 1.87 Paul Breitner 2.00 Hans-Peter Briegel 2.24 Franz-Josef Tenhagen 2.25 Manfred Kaltz 2.25 Karlheinz Förster Goalies 2.11 Norbert Nigbur 2.12 Harald Schumacher 2.19 Bernd Franke 2.27 Ronnie Hellström 2.32 Helmut Roleder 1980-81 Field players 2.16 Bruno Pezzey 2.21 Hans-Peter Briegel 2.21 Wilfried Hannes 2.24 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 2.26 Dieter Bast Goalies 2.13 Heinz-Josef Koitka 2.15 Ronnie Hellström 2.21 Harald Schumacher 2.32 Gerhard Heinze 2.36 Rudi Kargus 1981-82 Field players 2.18 Rolf Rüssmann 2.21 Dieter Bast 2.25 Felix Magath 2.31 Manfred Kaltz 2.32 Holger Hieronymus Goalies 1.94 Bernd Franke 2.14 Rudi Wimmer 2.21 Dieter Burdenski 2.28 Ralf Zumdick 2.35 Eike Immel 1982-83 Field players 2.09 Dieter Bast 2.18 Lothar Matthäus 2.19 Paul Breitner 2.29 Gerd Strack 2.32 Rudi Völler Goalies 2.00 Bernd Franke 2.18 Dieter Burdenski 2.21 Rudi Kargus 2.21 Harald Schumacher 2.22 Jean-Marie Pfaff 1983-84 Field players 2.07 Matthias Herget 2.22 Karlheinz Förster 2.31 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 2.43 Hans-Peter Makan 2.44 Gerd Zewe Goalies 2.18 Harald Schumacher 2.20 Bernd Franke 2.24 Helmut Roleder 2.26 Dieter Burdenski 2.32 Wolfgang Kneib 1984-85 Field players 2.46 Sören Lerby 2.48 Matthias Herget 2.52 Bruno Pezzey 2.52 Karlheinz Förster 2.58 Lothar Matthäus Goalies 2.38 Gerald Ehrmann 2.39 Uli Stein 2.47 Uwe Greiner 2.47 Uli Sude 2.48 Walter Junghans 1985-86 Field players 2.27 Norbert Meier 2.32 Thomas Hörster 2.39 Bruno Pezzey 2.57 Wolfgang Funkel 2.59 Karlheinz Förster Goalies 2.35 Dieter Burdenski 2.41 Eike Immel 2.50 Carsten Hallmann 2.50 Jean-Marie Pfaff 2.52 Harald Schumacher 1986-87 Field players 2.50 Uwe Rahn 2.56 Ditmar Jakobs 2.56 Wolfram Wuttke 2.58 Guido Buchwald 2.59 Thomas Hörster Goalies 2.13 Uwe Kamps 2.43 Uli Stein 2.55 Rudi Kargus 2.59 Rüdiger Vollborn 2.59 Wolfgang de Beer 2.59 Jean-Marie Pfaff 1987-88 Field players 2.33 Jürgen Kohler 2.52 Rune Bratseth 2.58 Thomas Hässler 2.59 Olaf Thon 2.65 Manfred Binz Goalies 2.38 Andreas Köpke 2.47 Uwe Kamps 2.55 Uli Stein 2.59 Eike Immel 2.59 Uwe Zimmermann 1988-89 Field players 2.50 Rune Bratseth 2.58 Jürgen Kohler 2.58 Klaus Augenthaler 2.59 Thomas von Heesen 2.66 Karl Allgöwer Goalies 2.42 Gerald Ehrmann 2.42 Andreas Köpke 2.47 Wolfgang de Beer 2.56 Uli Stein 2.59 Raimond Aumann 1989-90 Field players 2.54 Guido Buchwald 2.62 Manfred Binz 2.62 Pierre Littbarski 2.66 Rune Bratseth 2.68 Heinz Gründel Goalies 2.50 Uli Stein 2.53 Rüdiger Vollborn 2.57 Gerald Ehrmann 2.62 Uwe Kamps 2.65 Richard Golz 1990-91 Field players 2.48 Ralf Falkenmayer 2.57 Guido Buchwald 2.69 Jürgen Kohler 2.73 Thomas Doll 2.74 Reinhard Stumpf Goalies 2.50 Uli Stein 2.52 Andreas Köpke 2.63 Jörg Schmadtke 2.64 Oliver Kahn 2.75 Wolfgang de Beer 1991-92 Field players 2.48 Uwe Bein 2.53 Manfred Binz 2.63 Ralf Falkenmayer 2.72 Holger Fach 2.73 Sergio Zarate Goalies 2.32 Uli Stein 2.35 Andreas Köpke 2.54 Bodo Illgner 2.63 Eike Immel 2.71 Gerald Ehrmann 2.71 Rüdiger Vollborn 1992-93 Field players 2.56 Uwe Bein 2.75 Andreas Thom 2.76 Karlheinz Pflipsen 2.76 Ralf Weber 2.83 Rune Bratseth Goalies 2.35 Uli Stein 2.50 Andreas Köpke 2.65 Stefan Klos 2.68 Oliver Kahn 2.73 Eike Immel 1993-94 Field players 2.42 Lothar Matthäus 2.70 Matthias Sammer 2.71 Anthony Yeboah 2.73 Thomas Berthold 2.78 Rodolfo Cardoso Goalies 2.39 Oliver Kahn 2.48 Bodo Illgner 2.50 Uli Stein 2.65 Andreas Köpke 2.70 Raimond Aumann 1994-95 Field players 2.17 Matthias Sammer 2.54 Piotr Nowak 2.62 Patrik Andersson 2.66 Julio Cesar 2.72 Dieter Eilts Goalies 2.71 Uli Stein 2.73 Bernd Meier 2.75 Andreas Köpke 2.79 Bernd Dreher 2.81 Uwe Kamps 1995-96 Field players 2.67 Dietmar Beiersdorfer 2.67 Andreas Möller 2.74 Thomas Hässler 2.78 Jens Jeremies 2.80 Dieter Eilts Goalies 2.53 Georg Koch 2.55 Oliver Reck 2.59 Jens Lehmann 2.68 Dirk Heinen 2.72 Perry Bräutigam 1996-97 Field players 2.52 Dariusz Wosz 2.60 Krassimir Balakov 2.62 Christian Wörns 2.64 Horst Heldt 2.74 Alfred Nijhuis Goalies 2.55 Oliver Kahn 2.66 Claus Reitmaier 2.70 Georg Koch 2.79 Uwe Gospodarek 2.82 Perry Bräutigam 1997-98 Field players 2.60 Olaf Marschall 2.79 Andreas Buck 2.81 Christian Wörns 2.84 Mehmet Scholl 2.84 Olaf Thon Goalies 2.69 Oliver Kahn 2.73 Martin Pieckenhagen 2.80 Franz Wohlfahrt 2.81 Thomas Ernst 2.81 Uwe Kamps 1998-99 Field players 2.78 Jens Nowotny 2.79 Holger Greilich 2.83 Jens Jeremies 2.84 Bixente Lizarazu 2.88 Frank Verlaat Goalies 2.63 Gintaras Stauce 2.71 Oka Nikolov 2.74 Oliver Kahn 2.82 Richard Golz 2.83 Stefan Klos 1999-2000 Field players 2.64 Emerson 2.76 Nico Jan Hoogma 2.77 Jens Nowotny 2.80 Michael Ballack 2.85 Stefan Effenberg Goalies 2.67 Oliver Kahn 2.72 Jörg Butt 2.79 Dirk Heinen 2.86 Andreas Reinke 2.89 Daniel Hoffmann 2000-01 Field players 2.95 Sergej Barbarez 2.98 Jens Nowotny 3.00 Miroslav Stevic 3.02 Sebastian Kehl 3.05 Thomas Cichon Goalies 2.75 Oliver Kahn 2.82 Martin Pieckenhagen 2.84 Frank Rost 2.84 Georg Koch 2.86 Rein van Duijnhoven 2001-02 Field players 2.68 Torsten Frings 2.78 Lucio 2.78 Jens Nowotny 2.88 ChristianWörns 2.88 Michael Ballack Goalies 2.66 Oliver Kahn 2.69 Frank Rost 2.83 Jens Lehmann 2.88 Gabor Kiraly 2.90 Jörg Butt 2002-03 Field players 2.84 Willy Sagnol 2.96 Michael Ballack 2.97 Thomas Linke 3.10 Christoph Metzelder 3.16 Zvonimir Soldo Goalies 2.66 Rein van Duijnhoven 2.71 Tim Wiese 2.75 Timo Hildebrand 2.78 Simon Jentzsch 2.79 Frank Rost 2003-04 Field players 2.70 Lucio 2.76 Fabian Ernst 2.78 Juan 2.81 Marcelo Bordon 2.86 ValerienIsmael Goalies 2.74 Rein van Duijnhoven 2.81 Timo Hildebrand 2.86 Oliver Kahn 2.89 Matthias Schober 2.94 Jörg Butt 2004-05 Field players 2.79 Fabian Ernst 2.81 Marcelo Bordon 2.86 Lucio 2.95 Valerien Ismael 2.98 Michael Ballack Goalies 2.58 Roman Weidenfeller 2.78 Robert Enke 2.82 Dimo Wache 2.83 Rein van Duijnhoven 2.88 Simon Jentzsch 2005-06 Field players 2.38 Miroslav Klose 2.91 Torsten Frings 2.92 Lucio 3.07 Johan Micoud 3.09 Christian Wörns Goalies 2.65 Roman Weidenfeller 2.78 Frank Rost 2.79 Kasey Keller 2.79 Georg Koch 2.89 RobertEnke 2006-07 Field players 2.74 Torsten Frings 2.79 Diego 2.94 Mohamed Zidan 2.96 Per Mertesacker 2.97 Naldo Goalies 2.61 Manuel Neuer 2.76 Jaroslav Drobny 2.79 Raphael Schäfer 2.89 Timo Hildebrand 2.93 Roman Weidenfeller 2007-08 Field players 2.54 Franck Ribery 2.75 Martin Demichelis 2.87 Marcelo Bordon 2.91 Ze Roberto 2.93 Simon Rolfes Goalies 2.62 Diego Benaglio 2.62 René Adler 2.75 Robert Enke 2.84 Frank Rost 2.96 Markus Pröll 2008-09 Field players 2.53 Vedad Ibisevic 2.74 Franck Ribery 2.76 Grafite 2.88 Philipp Lahm 2.88 Josip Simunic 2.88 Edin Dezko Goalies 2.67 Robert Enke 2.87 Diego Benaglio 2.91 Manuel Neuer 2.92 Jaroslav Drobny 2.95 René Adler 2009-10 Field players 2.48 Arjen Robben 2.78 Toni Kroos 2.80 Stefan Kiessling 2.86 Sami Hyypiä 2.95 Marko Marin Goalies 2,83 Heinz Müller 2.84 Tim Wiese 2.85 Frank Rost 2.85 Jörg Butt 2.88 Jaroslav Drobny FACTS AND FEATS Field Players Best-Rated Player Most Often 6x Franz Beckenbauer (1967, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974) 4x Berti Vogts (1973, 1975, 1976, 1977) 2x Uwe Bein (1992, 1993) 2x Torsten Frings (2002, 2007) Best Grade 1.40 Josef Marx (1965-66) 1.50 Werner Krämer (1963-64) 1.50 Franz Beckenbauer (1969-70) 1.52 Joachim Bäse (1967-68) 1.58 Franz Beckenbauer (1968-69) Best-Rated Played Most Consecutively 4x Franz Beckenbauer (1968-69 to 1971-72) 3x Berti Vogts (1974-75 to 1976-77) Goalkeepers Best-Rated Goalie Most Often 6x Oliver Kahn (1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002) 5x Uli Stein (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995) 4x Bernd Franke (1973, 1975, 1982, 1983) 3x Norbert Nigbur (1972, 1974, 1980) Best Grade 1.58 Sepp Maier (1965-66) 1.65 Volkmar Gross (1976-77) 1.66 Horst Wolter (1966-67) 1.71 Volkmar Gross (1968-69) 1.76 Horst Tilkowski (1964-65) Best-Rated Played Most Consecutively 4x Uli Stein (1989-90 to 1992-93) 3x Oliver Kahn (1999-00 to 2001-02)
Yet another great post! I'll have to spend more time to see from what I see at a glance, 2.18 Rolf Rüssmann in 1981-82 comes to a surprise....
guess i needed to sleep before posting... Were the ratings back in the day lower because the players were better (which they were, if you look at the names), or because kicker wasn't as harsh? It's nice but not totally representative of the best german players as since the end of the 70s most have played abroad....till 2000 or so
Hard to tell. 'Kicker' did change the grades though, in the 60s and 70s it was: 1 = best 2 3 4 5 = worst Then sometime in the 1980s I think they changed it to: 1 = best 1.5 = second best 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.5 4.0 4.5 5.0 So a player who might have gotten away with a "3" under the old system would now perhaps get a "3.5" in the new system, which generally lowers the average. Indeed, it's only about the players featured in the Bundesliga. Though I wouldn't say since the end of the 70s ... mass exodus of the best players started ca. mid-1980s.
well regardless of the kicker system, i'd say the older players with the higher ratings were still the better players than those in the 90s and 2000s. What's curious is how KHR gets in only twice, at 4th place, and in the 2 seasons he won the ballon d'or (which were both in the bundesliga IIRC) he only placed 4th, once. Also, simonsen only placed 4th once. Are these for only bundesliga matches?
Tribute to “Der Terrier”... The listed stats say, he was one of the best player in the best league at the time. But I do get a feeling that he doesn't really get the full respect from the football world around the globe. He was one of the most consistence player who gave his best every single game, he (of course) could mark but also attack and play at out of his regular positions such as though a RB eh could end up as a LW when the attack didn't work (of course back then more players could do that because there were more footballers rather than forest runners like now). I really don't remember "Der Terrier" having any bad game, it was guaranteed that he will identified on the pitch. He was a RB but was to be found everywhere (more recent like a Davids+Nedved) and with his short height (168cm) he could play as CB. “Der Terrier” & Sepp "Die Katze von Anzing" Maier were also the backbone of the transition period from end of 1974 to WM1978. He was an amazing player but as many German footballers had to face in that era....here I list some of the reasons that might have been the reasons for his unpopularity.... -Played in same era as "Der Kaiser", not elegant enough! -Took over the Captaincy from "Der Kaiser", not elegant enough! -Took over the Coaching the German NT from "Der Kaiser", not elegant enough! Plus compared to "Der Kaiser", who had held the World Cup on his last match of his World Cup each as a player and as the head coach...... “Der Terrier”s last match of World Cup (which also became his last match for Germany) was the 1978's "Schmach von Cordoba"="The disgrace of Cordoba" (for Austrian it is called "Wunder von Cordoba"="Miracle of Cordoba") where the Germans not only lost the first time against (back then fierce rival) Österreich in 47 years by 2:3 but also got eliminated from the WM and most of all for "Der Terrier"....scored an own goal.... "Der Terrier"s last match at the World Cup was the 1998's Quarterfinal lost against Croatia 0-3 eliminated and the biggest lost Germany at advanced round since 1958 3-6 against France at a World Cup.... "Der Terrier" won the World Cup same as a player, not as a captain though like "Der Kaiser"! "Der Terrier" won the Euro as a coach but not a World Cup though like "Der K...." but "Der Kaiser never won the Euro as a coach!!! but wait wait.... S**t! "Der Terrier" was injured as a player when "Der Kaiser" won in 1972.... I hope u had enjoyed this weired post and Vielen Dank Berti! Here is a picture of "Der Terrier" with my all time favorite F1 driver Ronnie Peterson.
You spoke the truth about Vogts. https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19622142&postcount=148 https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19708774&postcount=212
Of course! Funny though how a relatively unknown guy like Josef Marx got the best ever rating of all players. What is noticeable is that defensive players and goalies usually got better grades than offensive players. Regardless of which epoch. Gerd Müller for example never got close to the Top 20 based on his grades. It's only for Bundesliga matches.
well it still holds true that some players can do really well in the league but not make it into the national squad circle of a certain coach This is pretty true...besides the standout attacking midfield names and beckenbauer, everyone else is a defensive player....strange... maybe the attacking players were given a harder time because the league was so attacking to begin with I guess FF didnt watch the same matches as kicker then...
The dismissal of Vogts in that thread is laughable. Unfortunately that kind of thinking has persevered over time and there are still many who discredit players like Vogts based on preconceived notions. You did a fine job sorting that out.
hard to take these ratings seriously when a 7 time top goalscorer doesnt feature even once...not even in his 40 goal season
no klaus fischer either...so the top 2 scorers in bundesliga history with over 630 goals between them can't crack the top 5 even once...bravo kicker!
You've got to judge these, or any rating systems for that matter, with a grain of salt. They are all, by nature, imperfect. Football, like most other sports or art for example, is difficult to categorize and calculate scientifically. There are so many incalculable variables and events that do not figure into such a systematic approach.
when something is so obviously flawed it deserves to be called for what it is...in this case forget the grain of salt, a truckload would be more accurate
like this.... season 72/73 bayern munich - oberhausen 5:3.... the kicker sportjournalist has judged the players in this game... 3 bayern players was rated 4 (breitner,hoeness,beckenbauer), all other 8 bayern players got a rating 5..rating a 5 means for me this players was nearly useless... 2 oberhausen players got a rating 2,2 others a rating 3 and 6 players got a 4 rating... the kickersportjournalist obviously was a bayern hater..... in my opinion such a kicker sportjounalist must get a lifetimeban judging players in bundesleaque games.. gerd müller example has contributed for 3 goals in this game...in one action a shot of müller was blocked and a teamate picked up the rebound and did score a goal...müller has created a penalty and scored sucessful the penalty...müllers second goal of the game he scored with a header...i have videofootage highlights of the goals scored in this game... müller got a rating 5....nearly useless...lol...he was worster than every oberhausen player in this game using the judgment of this kicker idiot.. beckenbauer never got a rating worster than 4 in a bundesleaque game in his career.. grain of salt....??? this is only 1 example of many...
I have posted the rankings for forwards, midfielders and defenders here: Forwards Midfielders Defenders If you just look at forwards, Rummenigge and Simonsen did particularly well.
Regarding the grades in the 1960s it is noteworthy to mention that from 1963 to November 1968, these grades were exclusively handed out by "Sportmagazin", not "Kicker". Both were competing magazines until they merged in November 1968 to form "kicker sportmagazin". "Kicker" did not give grades before that date.