The Bob Bradley Thread - post WC

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Preface: I am most emphatically not a Bob hater.

But....

The World Cup isn't over. We advanced out of our group - and in first place. Awesome; goal #1 accomplished. But expectations are to succeed beyond the group, aren't they?

Honestly, the crazy pro-Bob people (not necessarily you) are just as awful as the anti-Bob people. He's deserved some criticism during his tenure and there have been thoughtful posters about that. Both sides have their over-the-top members.

For many the final decision on Bob will come down to how the USA performs this point forward - not necessarily on the result (sometimes you're just not the better team) but how we play. I think that's fair.

 

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Sorry, I didn't know fans weren't aloud to voice criticism on this board. My bad.

 

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I'm a big Bob Bradley supporter, but there's something funny about all of this. If Landon pushes that shot wide in the 92nd minute, there would be dozens of "Fire Bob Now" threads on this board. It's amazing how a fan's opinion of a manager can be so easily swayed by something completely within the control of the professional athletes on the field.

 

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Yep. Thank you for pointing out it goes both ways.

Anyone saying they weren't sweating it out with the prospect of not qualifying until that beautiful 91-minute goal is lying.

I was nearly sick to my stomach.

The biggest problem on BS is that some people freak out if anything negative is said. That's what bothers me - there's rarely an attempt to discuss. Anyone with an opposing view is simply 'an idiot.'

 

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Bob has taken a lot of criticism in the past and rightfully so. That being said, he deserves a lot of credit for the subs and tactical changes he has made this world cup, particularly the last 2 games. Now if he goes back to starting Ricardo Clark and Bornstein........

 

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He was about 3 minutes from not making the knockout stages and being a complete failure. He probably would have been fired.

 

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I started the "Fire Bob Bradley" group on Facebook like 3 years ago. I completely forgot about its existence until someone messaged me yesterday asking to be removed. I tried disbanding it, couldn't figure out how to, so just left the group. I was wrong.

 

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Whether the USA scored the goal or not, Bradley has done an excellent job at the WC. If the boys went home after three games, we would be talking about the reffing and missed chances - not capping on Bradley.

 

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If the U.S. had gone home, there most certainly would have been a lot of crapping on Bradley. It wouldn't have been deserved, but I can guarantee you a lot of posters would have done it.

 

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Bob owes Landon dinner for saving his job.

 

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it's a results oriented business, you can't blame bad calls on not advancing

it would have been a complete disaster not getting out of this group and you'd have to assume he'd be fired.

 

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I hope that Bob will, for the best of the program step down even if he goes to the semifinals....hopefully he saw that Arena stayed on for 4 years too long.

4 years enough for any coach in international soccer.

If we get desperate we can be like Mexico and keep recycling Bradley and Arena when we don't like the next guy....:=)

 

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"He would have been sacked if they..." blah blah blah

Yeah, but they DIDN'T. So eat it.

 

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I never wanted him fired, I've always thought he was a good coach. I've never been a regular bigsoccer poster, who exactly did people want as a coach instead of Bob Bradley?

Did they have a replacement or they just wanted him fired? Because who the hell can you think of who would be better? no one

 

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You know, nice try with the attempt at ducking the very post you're quoting with some side question that I wasn't addressing.

Next time, don't use a hypothetical that isn't going to hold up very well in the face of reality.

 

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I think it has a little more to do with Jozy Altidore, Clint Dempsey, Landon Donovan, Michael Bradley, Steve Cherundolo, Carlos Bocanegra, Jay DeMerit, Benny Feilhaber, and Tim Howard.

 

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I don't understand your attitude. There's nothing wrong with saying had something not happened, something else would likely have occurred.

He's not saying, "Oooh, Bradley was so lucky." The reality is (was) that had we not advanced Bob may not have been around much longer. I don't think that's an unrealistic comment (or an offensive one) given the expectations placed on our team.

Of course it begs the question should someone be fired over such a close campaign influenced by God-awful refereeing but it doesn't make what he said any less true because it didn't happen.

Once again, hypersensitivity on the pro-Bob side. We were 3 minutes away from not advancing. Just because that didn't ultimately happen doesn't make that statement incorrect. I think everyone was sweating it out, well aware of that reality (at that time, of course).

Yes, I know, if it didn't happen, why even mention it? I get that. But I don't think he was slighting Bob.

 

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Yes, of course you think that. But that's because to think otherwise would require admitting that you've been irrationally hostile toward Bob Bradley for a very, very long time based on some very, very suspect reasons.

HATING BOB BRADLEY:
Here's what you thought about the provisional 30-man roster for South Africa:

Here's where you showed your support of the team by hoping that the players would rival France for bad morale during the cup:

Here's where you admitted to starting a thread in the hope that it would turn into a flame war:

Here's where you guaranteed a loss against Spain in the Confederations Cup because Bob Bradley is a moron:

HATING MICHAEL BRADLEY AS AN EXTENSION OF HATING BOB BRADLEY:
It's fascinating to see you include Michael Bradley in that list of players above, the one where you indicate everybody who deserves more credit than Bob Bradley. First, it's interesting that you included him despite omitting Torres and Edu, players you've been insisting are clearly better than MB.

In fact, for a long time now, you've been insisting that MB is a mediocre midfielder and best and only starts for the NT because his father is the coach.

For example:

More obviously:

And again:

Here's you saying that MB, that player who you now say helped us get to the knockout stages, shouldn't even have made the World Cup roster:

BEING GENERALLY WRONG:
So you've been convinced that Bob Bradley is totally incompetent throughout the qualifying process and was holding the US back. You were sure that his stupidity would let Spain walk all over us in the Confederations Cup. You were sure that his stupidity and blind nepotism were leading him to put his undeserving son on the field. You were convinced that his roster choices for the World Cup would leave the team unable to care about the Cup and to fight for results.

Wrong.

Bob Bradley isn't the world's greatest coach. But working with far less glamorous players than Fabio Cappello, he got better results. Despite unfairly disallowed goals.

Of course the players deserve a lot of credit for how we've done. And one of the players who deserves the most credit is MB, whom you've been shitting on uninterrupted for months now. But that doesn't mean that Bradley deserves none of the credit.

It does, however, suggest that you don't really know what you're talking about. Here are another couple points that reinforce that impression.

First, while you were rating Torres over Bradley, you were doing so based apparently on your impression of his aura:

Second, at this time you were also convinced that Holden is a no-talent hack unfit to play club ball in a second-tier league:

 

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YES! ACCOUNTABILITY! Eat crow withoutthee88, Bob could literally do NOTHING to please you. I'm sick of these fair-weather supporters that talk out their asses.

 

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And once again, just a stubborn attitude of never giving an inch from the anti-Bob side.

You know, if it rained yesterday, I would've gotten wet because I didn't bring an umbrella. A fair hypothetical, but it didn't happen, so it's meaningless. Nothing wrong with pointing that out, nor is it particularly helpful to belabor a point whose relevance has passed.

Right now, exploring the "we almost didn't advance" hypothetical is just as meaningless as exploring the "we can win the World Cup" hypothetical.

Or is supporting this coach REALLY so out of the question that people will resort to saying anything - ANYTHING - except deserved praise after an important win? Is that really so difficult?

 

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Wow. That is a fantastic post, Grumpy. It involved A LOT of research and homework. And that is what was required to show that withoutthee88 is indeed the biggest douchebag in the history of mankind. I can't believe all of this crap he's posted here over the past year. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

 

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Quite an epic post indeed. Someone rep him for me because I'm out.

 

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I never thought Bradley was a bad coach or that the only reason Michael Bradley never is benched is because dad's the coach. As others has stated he's gotten results against teams with better talent and against coaches with better resumes. etc etc etc. as for those that hate Bradley and refuse to give up:

 

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Damn!...EPIC beatdown!