Serie A 2020/21 https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/1...330/Stages/18873/Show/Italy-Serie-A-2020-2021 Euro 2021 https://www.sofascore.com/tournament/football/europe/european-championship/1 https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...tics/International-European-Championship-2020 In reality 2020/21 was a season of 2 halves for Ronaldo September 2020 This is a top 10 level all time player except that he is 35 years old here August to December 2020 He went into a slump from January and regressed to a standard/typical world class level(still decisive as he has been for the last 14 years but the all round play was left wanting) Scoring 5 goals+1 assist in a group of death isn't something any random player can do Even in that R16 vs Belgium he completed 4 dribbles+3 key passes and was clearly the most productive(all round)player on the pitch When it comes to these kind of rankings you cannot judge players like Ronaldo,Messi,Neymar on their previous standards If foden had scored 29 league goals in a top 5 European league with an additional 5 goals+1 assists in a group of death (with France and Germany) The British press would be calling him the greatest prodigy the British isle has ever produced Believe me stuff like context(3 of those 5 EC goals being penalties)would completely fly out of the window aswell
I'm not so sure that's true Carlito. Take Harry Kane in 2018. He won the World Cup golden boot with 6 goals, which is usually held in higher regard than golden boot in EURO, but because most of his goals were set pieces, the English fans didn't go crazy calling him the best striker in the world or anything like that.
Harry kane was 25 years old and already in his peak 5 of those 6 were also against Panama and Tunisia Apples and pears If foden(21 years old) had a campaign With 29 league goals+5 goals in European championship group of death against France/Germany The poster @Titanlux wouldn't even think twice about nominating him for a ballon dor podium and the British media hype train would be going into overdrive(the new Messi,new Pele blaaaaaaaa) This is what happens when you are victim of your success and previous standards 40 league goals per season was normalised Now anything less is perceived as just good To be ranked as the best outfield player of a top 5 European league at 36 years old isn't a normal thing Maybe not by bullshit/biased/partial/agenda driven media ratings Ratings by journalists who have preconceived notions about certain players anyways(they are human and susceptible to biases) Whoscored/sofascore maybe no bible It Doesn't mean it isn't demonstrably closer to the truth then the word of a group of journalists I don't want to digress too much but there are double if not triple standards at play here Ronaldo has been the best player in Serie A for 3 consecutive seasons That's a fact When he top scores and when he doesn't top score This doesn't seem to register
I have selected 210 players since the beginning of the 2020-21 season, for whom I have been calculating various mathematical formulas based on their individual performance and their collective achievements, weighted by importance, taking into account their games played, average minutes per game and now, having finished the season, I have the final numbers. I leave an image of the 120 best classified. Of course, there is no exact match between the merits of each player and his position in this classification, but it is possible that it serves as a good reference for each of us to make our own pool. Undoubtedly, we will miss several of our favorite footballers on this list, with Bonucci as the clearest example (I have 123rd with 6,971), but he was not on my list of candidates until the Eurocopa was developing, thanks to which it rose several hundredths to the merits previously contracted. For those who are curious to know the sources used: sofascore, whoscored, dbscalcio and ESM.
I generally think a lot like you do, but here I will disagree. For athleticism and finishing ability, Cristiano is nearly peerless in the Series A. On paper, it can be said he's the best footballer in the league. However, I didn't feel he was the league's best player in all three seasons he's been in Italy. I felt he was truly the best player in the Series A in his first season at the club in 2018/19 when he did win the honor of league MVP. Immobile last season scored more goals (36 to Cristiano's 31) and deserved the accolade more even though Dybala won the honor. Cristiano was certainly exceptional enough for consideration. As for this season, despite Cristiano's 29 goals this campaign, Juventus were in danger of falling out of the top four (they should have finished in fifth and were lucky to qualify for the UCL next season). He was very poor when it mattered for Juventus. It was obvious he didn't care to give everything for Juventus and was unhappy. Lukaku won league MVP, but I felt Zlatan was the league's best player. He really did give everything, including the injury he suffered that meant he missed out on the Euros. Milan mounted a title challenge (they were top of the table and looked capable of taking the title if not some imbalances in the team) and finished in the top four largely because of the spirit and belief he brought to the team. I also felt Barella was the rock behind Inter's success and a more significant factor than Lukaku. Let me put it this way, if Barella played for the other side of Milan, I'm almost certain they would have won the league instead.
I finally put together my initial list of the best players of the season. It's not finished yet but is in a roughish order. GK (16) Jan Oblak (Atletico Madrid and Slovenia) 38 games, 0 goals Thibaut Courtois (Real Madrid and Belgium) 38 games, 0 goals Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich and Germany) 33 games, 0 goals Gianluigi Donnarumma (Milan and Italy) 37 games, 0 goals Ederson (Manchester City and Brazil) 36 games, 0 goals Edouard Mendy (Chelsea and Senegal) 31 games, 0 goals Emiliano Martinez (Aston Villa and Argentina) 38 games, 0 goals Mike Maignan (Lille and France) 38 games, 0 goals Keylor Navas (PSG and Costa Rica) 29 games, 0 goals Alessio Cragno (Cagliari and Italy) 34 games, 0 goals Stefan Ortega (Arminia Bielfeld and Germany) 34 games, 0 goals Koen Casteels (Wolfsburg and Belgium) 32 games, 0 goals Peter Gulacsi (RB Leipzig and Hungary) 33 games, 0 goals Antonio Adan (Sporting Lisbon and Spain) 32 games, 0 goals Agustin Marchesin (Porto and Uruguay) 33 games, 0 goals Jose Sa (Olympiacos and Portugal) 29 games, 0 goals FB (25) Joao Cancelo (Manchester City and Portugal) 28 games, 2 goals Kyle Walker (Manchester City and England) 24 games, 1 goal Luke Shaw (Manchester United and England) 32 games, 1 goal Achraf Hakimi (Inter and Morocco) 37 games, 7 goals Theo Hernandez (Milan and France) 33 games, 7 goals Robin Gosens (Atalanta and Germany) 32 games, 11 goals Angelino (RB Leipzig and Spain) 26 games, 4 goals Raphael Guerreiro (Borussia Dortmund and Portugal) 27 games, 5 goals Vladimir Coufal (West Ham and Czech Republic) 34 games, 0 goals Ben Chillwell (Chelsea and England) 27 games, 3 goals Reece James (Chelsea and England) 32 games, 1 goal Kieran Trippier (Atletico Madrid and England) 28 games, 0 goals Jesus Navas (Sevilla and Spain) 34 games, 0 goals Marcos Acuna (Sevilla and Argentina) 30 games, 1 goal Javi Galan (Huesca and Spain) 37 games, 1 goal Juan Cuadrado (Juventus and Colombia) 30 games, 2 goals Ridle Baku (Wolfsburg and Germany) 32 games, 6 goals Stuart Dallas (Leeds and Scotland) 38 games, 8 goals Jonathan Clauss (Lens and France) 33 games, 3 goals James Tavernier (Rangers and England) 33 games, 12 goals Reinildo Mandava (Lille and Mozambique) 29 games, 0 goals Owen Wijndal (AZ and Netherlands) 34 games, 1 goal Nuno Mendes (Sporting Lisbon and Portugal) 29 games, 1 goal Pedro Porro (Sporting Lisbon and Spain) 30 games, 3 goals Douglas Santos (Zenit and Brazil) 28 games, 3 goals CB (26) Ruben Dias (Manchester City and Portugal) 32 games, 1 goal Marquinhos (PSG and Brazil) 25 games, 3 goals John Stones (Manchester City and England) 22 games, 4 goals Harry Maguire (Manchester United and England) 34 games, 2 goals Stefan de Vrij (Inter and Netherlands) 30 games, 1 goal Cristian Romero (Atalanta and Argentina) 31 games, 2 goals Simon Kjaer (Milan and Denmark) 28 games, 0 goals Stefan Savic (Atletico Madrid and Montenegro) 33 games, 1 goal Jules Kounde (Sevilla and France) 33 games, 2 goals Pau Torres (Villarreal and Spain) 33 games, 2 goals Mario Hermoso (Atletico Madrid and Spain) 31 games, 1 goal Wesley Fofana (Leicester City and France) 28 games, 0 goals Antonio Rudiger (Chelsea and Germany) 19 games, 1 goal Mats Hummels (Borussia Dortmund and Germany) 33 games, 5 goals Cesar Azpilicueta (Chelsea and Spain) 26 games, 1 goal Thiago Silva (Chelsea and Brazil) 23 games, 2 goals Willi Orban (RB Leipzig and Hungary) 29 games, 4 goals Maxence Lacroix (Wolfsburg and France) 30 games, 1 goal Matthias Ginter (Gladbach and Germany) 34 games, 2 goals Sven Botman (Lille and Netherlands) 37 games, 0 goals Jose Fonte (Lille and Portugal) 36 games, 3 goals Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa and England) 36 games, 2 goals Riechedly Bazoer (Vitesse and Netherlands) 29 games, 5 goals Sebastian Coates (Sporting Lisbon and Uruguay) 33 games, 5 goals Pepe (Porto and Portugal) 27 games, 2 goals Roman Yevgenyev (Dinamo Moscow and Russia) 27 games, 1 goals DM (16) Casemiro (Real Madrid and Belgium) 34 games, 6 goals Franck Kessie (Milan and Ivory Coast) 37 games, 13 goals Marten De Roon (Atalanta and Netherlands) 35 games, 1 goal Declan Rice (West Ham and England) 32 games, 2 goals Tomas Soucek (West Ham and Czech Republic) 38 games, 10 goals Pierre Hojbjerg (Tottenham and Denmark) 38 games, 2 goals Sergio Busquets (Barcelona and Spain) 36 games, 0 goals Fernando (Sevilla and Brazil) 31 games, 3 goals Renato Tapia (Celta Vigo and Peru) 32 games, 0 goals Jorginho (Chelsea and Italy) 28 games, 7 goals Rodri (Manchester City and Spain) 34 games, 2 goals Teun Koopmeiners (AZ and Netherlands) 31 games, 15 goals Aurelien Tchouaméni (Monaco and France) 36 games, 2 goals Youssouf Fofana (Monaco and France) 35 games, 0 goals Joao Palhinha (Sporting Lisbon and Portugal) 32 games, 1 goal Oliver Abildgaard (Rubin Kazan and Denmark) 28 games, 0 goals CM (26) Ilkay Gundogan (Manchester City and Germany) 28 games, 13 goals N’Golo Kante (Chelsea and France) 30 games, 0 goals Marcos Llorente (Atletico Madrid and Spain) 37 games, 12 goals Luka Modric (Real Madrid and Croatia) 35 games, 5 goals Toni Kroos (Real Madrid and Germany) 28 games, 3 goals Koke (Atletico Madrid and Spain) 37 games, 1 goal Nicolo Barella (Inter and Italy) 36 games, 3 goals Joshua Kimmich (Bayern Munich and Germany) 27 games, 4 goals Leon Goretzka (Bayern Munich and Germany) 24 games, 5 goals Frenkie De Jong (Barcelona and Netherlands) 37 games, 3 goals Youri Tielemans (Leicester City and Belgium) 38 games, 6 goals Remo Freuler (Atalanta and Switzerland) 34 games, 2 goals Ruslan Malinovskiy (Atalanta and Ukraine) 36 games, 8 goals Manuel Locatelli (Sassuolo and Italy) 34 games, 4 goals Yves Bissouma (Brighton and Mali) 36 games, 1 goal Sergio Canales (Real Betis and Spain) 31 games, 3 goals Dani Parejo (Villarreal and Spain) 36 games, 3 goals Marcel Sabitzer (RB Leipzig and Austria) 27 games, 8 goals Christian Noboa (Sochi and Ecuador) 25 games, 12 goals Benjamin Andre (Lille and France) 35 games, 0 goals Teji Savanier (Montpellier and France) 27 games, 5 goals Davy Klaassen (Ajax and Netherlands) 29 games, 12 goals Ryan Gravenberch (Ajax and Netherlands) 32 games, 3 goals Sergio Oliveira (Porto and Portugal) 32 games, 13 goals Max Arnold (Wolfsburg and Germany) 30 games, 3 goals Jude Bellingham (Borussia Dortmund and England) 29 games, 1 goal AM (16) Bruno Fernandes (Manchester United and Portugal) 37 games, 18 goals Kevin De Bruyne (Manchester City and Belgium) 25 games, 6 goals Mason Mount (Chelsea and England) 36 games, 6 goals Jack Grealish (Aston Villa and England) 26 games, 6 goals Thomas Muller (Bayern Munich and Germany) 32 games, 11 goals Pedro Goncalves ‘Pote’ (Sporting Lisbon and Portugal) 32 games, 23 goals Rodrigo De Paul (Udinese and Argentina) 36 games,9 goals Henrikh Mkhitaryan (Roma and Armenia) 30 games, 13 goals Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (Lazio and Serbia) 32 games, 8 goals Pedri (Barcelona and Spain) 37 games, 3 goals Nikola Vlasic (CSKA Moscow and Croatia) 26 games, 11 goals Lucas Paqueta (Lyon and Brazil) 30 games, 9 goals Rai Vloet (Heracles and Netherlands) 33 games, 16 goals Marco Reus (Borussia Dortmund and Germany) 32 games, 8 goals Christopher Nkunku (RB Leipzig and France) 28 games, 6 goals Lars Stindl (Gladbach and Germany) 30 games, 14 goals WG (13) Riyad Mahrez (Manchester City and Algeria) 27 games, 9 goals Phil Foden (Manchester City and England) 28 games, 9 goals Yannick Carrasco (Atletico Madrid and Belgium) 30 games, 6 goals Federico Chiesa (Juventus and Italy) 30 games, 8 goals Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund and England) 26 games, 8 goals Filip Kostic (Eintracht Frankfurt and Serbia) 30 games, 4 goals Angel Di Maria (PSG and Argentina) 27 games, 4 goals Raphinha (Leeds and Brazil) 30 games, 6 goals Karl Toko Ekambi (Lyon and Cameroon) 35 games, 14 goals Steven Berghuis (Feyenoord and Netherlands) 33 games, 19 goals Ryan Gauld (Farense and Scotland) 33 games, 9 goals Kvicha Kvatatskhelia (Rubin Kazan and Georgia) 23 games, 4 goals Rachid Ghezzal (Beskitas and Algeria) 31 games, 8 goals FW (18) Lionel Messi (Barcelona and Argentina) 35 games, 30 goals Mo Salah (Liverpool and Egypt) 37 games, 22 goals Son Heung-Min (Tottenham and South Korea) 37 games, 17 goals Iago Aspas (Celta Vigo and Spain) 33 games, 14 goals Memphis Depay (Lyon and Netherlands) 37 games, 20 goals Neymar (PSG and Brazil) 18 games, 9 goals Angel Correa (Atletico Madrid and Argentina) 38 games, 9 goals Lautaro Martinez (Inter and Argentina) 38 games, 17 goals Lorenzo Insigne (Napoli and Italy) 35 games, 19 goals Domenico Berardi (Sassuolo and Italy) 30 games, 17 goals Raheem Sterling (Manchester City and England) 31 games, 10 goals Sadio Mane (Liverpool and Senegal) 35 games, 11 goals Dusan Tadic (Ajax and Serbia) 34 games, 14 goals Andrej Kramaric (Hoffenheim and Croatia) 28 games, 20 goals Silas (Stuttgart and DR Congo) 25 games, 11 goals Donyell Malen (PSV and Netherlands) 32 games, 19 goals Jordan Larsson (Spartak Moscow and Sweden) 29 games, 15 goals Kevin Volland (Monaco and Germany) 35 games, 16 goals ST (27) Robert Lewandowski (Bayern Munich and Poland) 29 games, 41 goals Harry Kane (Tottenham and England) 35 games, 23 goals Erling Haaland (Borussia Dortmund and Norway) 28 games, 27 goals Romelu Lukaku (Inter and Belgium) 36 games, 24 goals Cristiano Ronaldo (Juventus and Portugal) 33 games, 29 goals Kylian Mbappe (PSG and France) 31 games, 27 goals Karim Benzema (Real Madrid and France) 34 games, 23 goals Gerard Moreno (Villarreal and Spain) 33 games, 23 goals Luis Suarez (Atletico Madrid and Uruguay) 32 games, 21 goals Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Milan and Sweden) 19 games, 15 goals Burak Yilmaz (Lille and Turkey) 28 games, 16 goals Luis Muriel (Atalanta and Colombia) 36 games, 22 goals Dusan Vlahovic (Fiorentina and Serbia) 37 games, 21 goals Andre Silva (Eintracht Frankfurt and Portugal) 32 games, 28 goals Wout Weghorst (Wolfsburg and Netherlands) 34 games, 20 goals Dominic Calvert-Lewin (Everton and England) 33 games, 16 goals Patrick Bamford (Leeds and England) 38 games, 17 goals Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa and England) 37 games, 14 goals Youssef En-Nesyri (Sevilla and Morocco) 37 games, 18 goals Alexander Isak (Real Sociedad and Sweden) 34 games, 17 goals Wissam Ben Yedder (Monaco and France) 37 games, 20 goals Giorgos Giakoumakis (VVV Venlo and Greece) 30 games, 26 goals Mehdi Taremi (Porto and Iran) 34 games, 16 goals Haris Seferovic (Benfica and Switzerland) 31 games, 22 goals Artem Dzyuba (Zenit and Russia) 27 games, 20 goals Sardar Azmoun (Zenit and Iran) 24 games, 19 goals Paul Onuachu (Genk and Nigeria) 38 games, 33 goals Patson Daka (Red Bull Salzburg and Zambia) 28 games, 27 goals Youssef El-Arabi (Olympiacos and Morocco) 33 games, 22 goals
Ultimately I think it's quite an odd season in a number of respects. We saw surprise winners in Spain, France and Italy, as well as Portugal. It felt like a year in which the Premier League was well out in front of rivals. Chelsea won the Champions League in a season where their leading league scorer was a defensive midfielder with 7 penalties. A number of their players (Chilwell, James, Thiago Silva, Azpilicueta) weren't the very best in the PL but combined with their CL achievements they get in. PSG didn't excel domestically despite doing well in the CL. Bayern won the Bundesliga comfortably but leaked a huge number of goals. My selection is currently light on players from outside the big 7 leagues and I have probably included too many from Russia given their European struggles. Turkey seems to continue it's decline. I normally have a few from Ukraine but haven't yet. I feel Slavia Prague potentially merit someone but unclear who. Very few sides from outside the major leagues cut through and it feels like the shift of power is just going on and on.
I don't know if this was particularly unusual but it felt like a high level of churn of top players this year. Below were the top players picked by ESPN at the end of last year. A lot can be explained by the sub-par seasons of Liverpool in particular and also Bayern, Juventus and Barcelona. Goalkeepers 10. De Gea 9. Handanovic 8. Donnarumma 7. Keylor Navas 6. Ederson 5. Courtois 4. Ter Stegen 3. Oblak 2. Alisson 1. Neuer Right-back 10. Dest 9. Trippier 8. Ricardo Pereira 7. Hateboer 6. Jesus Navas 5. Walker 4. Carvajal 3. Pavard 2. Hakimi 1. Trent AA Centre-backs 10. Marquinhos 9. Kounde 8. De Ligt 7. Laporte 6. Varane 5. Upamecano 4. Koulibaly 3. Alaba 2. Ramos 1. Van Dijk Left-back 10. Ferland Mendy 9. Marcelo 8. Chilwell 7. Theo Hernandez 6. Reguilon 5. Raphael Guerreiro 4. Alex Sandro 3. Alba 2. Alphonso Davies 1. Robertson Central Midfield 10. Verratti 9. Modric 8. De Jong 7. Fabinho 6. Henderson 5. Kante 4. Casemiro 3. Kroos 2. Thiago 1. Kimmich Attacking Midfield 10. Grealish 9. Aouar 8. Pogba 7. Bernardo Silva 6. Havertz 5. Goretzka 4. Papu Gomez 3. Bruno Fernandes 2. Muller 1. De Bruyne Wing 10. Vinicius 9. Hazard 8. Ocampos 7. Coman 6. Pulisic 5. Di Maria 4. Sancho 3. Gnabry 2. Sterling 1. Mane Forwards 10. Ilicic 9. Rashford 8. Dybala 7. Son 6. Aubameyang 5. Salah 4. Neymar 3. Ronaldo 2. Mbappe 1. Messi Striker 10. Raul Jimenez 9. Firmino 8. Werner 7. Immobile 6. Aguero 5. Lukaku 4. Kane 3. Benzema 2. Haaland 1. Lewandowski
I appreciate this might not be of interest to anyone and I'm probably having a conversation with myself here but this was a bit of a braindump on the lists that I produce and which leagues get the most inclusions. One of the things I always struggle with in compiling the lists of the best players in the season is how to weigh performances and recognise players from different leagues and competitions. On the one hand there is a desire to recognise those who are truly the best and to focus on the biggest teams and players, on the other a desire to be broadminded and avoid insularity, giving due credit to those across the Continent, even if they play in a less heralded league. So how do we accomplish both of those goals? The first obvious thing to recognise is that it is inherently a difficult and complex task with multiple factors at play so there isn’t an easy formula that we can use. Moreover the domestic competitions (including leagues and multiple cups) work in parallel to their Continental counterparts which adds greater challenges. Any conclusion we come to is likely to have gaps and inconsistencies in it. To start with the most obvious and factual basis we can look to UEFA’s coefficient system. This recognises leagues based on the performances of their teams in UEFA competitions and is used to determine the number of spots each league will receive in future seasons. Undoubtedly, it’s an excellent start in assessing the relative strength of different leagues but it isn’t without challenges. First among them is the fact that is can only assess teams who are playing in UEFA competitions and so only factors in the performances of the top sides in any league. Can we determine from the performance of the top sides, how strong a league is overall? Does the success of Barcelona and Real Madrid mean that sides at the bottom of La Liga are stronger than their counterparts around Europe? Secondly, the system uses an average based on the performances of those sides in UEFA tournaments. In 2008-9 the league with the highest average was Ukraine after Shakhtar won the UEFA Cup and Dynamo Kiev reached the semi-finals. Nobody would pretend that the Ukrainian league was the strongest in Europe, even if the numbers might suggest that. Furthermore there are discrepancies in how each team and league approach different competitions. Part of Sevilla’s incredible success in recent years (six wins in the UEFA Cup/Europa League in 15 seasons) has been the seriousness they assign to the trophy. In contrast there are certain teams, particularly in the Premier League, who have seen competing on an extra front a serious hindrance to their main priority of avoiding relegation. Alongside the official coefficients we can use various systems that rate teams based on performance. Club ELO, the 538 Global Soccer ratings, Euro Club Index are examples of systems which use performance and competition between the sides to rank them across Europe (and sometimes beyond). While these systems vary in the precise way that their calculations work (and I won’t pretend to have fully evaluated them individually), there is a level of consistency to them which gives good weight to their findings and they generally tally closely with the UEFA coefficients but provide much greater depth as they rate teams lower down the leagues as well. In addition we can look to other, less direct factors like the number of players drawn from the league competing at major tournaments. It’s not perfect by any means and can certainly be heavily influenced by factors such as the willingness of players to go abroad, which nations have qualified and the propensity of sides to buy in talent, but it gives an indication. At Euro 2020 England had 147 players represented among the squads, followed by Germany (92), Italy (75), Spain (42), Russia (32) and France (30). At the 2018 World Cup it was a roughly similar situation with the Premier League leading the way with 129 players, followed by Spain (81), Germany (67), Italy (58), France (49) and Russia (36). Another steer we can use is the relative wealth of sides. They may not use their extra resources wisely but the Premier League can boast 12 sides among the 30 clubs at the top of the Deloitte Money League, compared with 5 for Germany, 4 for Spain and Italy, 2 for France and 1 for Netherlands, Portugal and Russia. That in turn should allow them to buy more of the best players and certainly the way a newly monied side like Wolves were able to sign a cohort of top players from Portugal underlined the financial disparity which exists. For many clubs the Premier League is a cash cow that enables them to survive in the longer term. So what does all this mean in terms of distribution of places? In the past I’ve typically allocated the lion’s share of places to teams from the ‘big 5’ leagues reflecting the prevailing balance of the time but with a desire to be inclusive and reward smaller leagues as well. Increasingly though some of this can look out of kilter. My first cut off the list reflected the Premier League’s dominance by awarding more spots to English sides (41), than any other nation (Spain 31, Germany 28, Italy 27, France 20, Portugal 12, Netherlands 10, Russia 9) but does that go far enough and are the right players being rewarded? Looking by club Manchester City (surely the best side in Europe in 2020-1) lead the way with 11 inclusions followed by Champions League winners Chelsea (9) and Atletico Madrid (9). But other big Premier League teams seem relatively underweight. Manchester United finished second in the league and were runners up in the Europa League but were only given three inclusions while Liverpool, who were well off their usual high standards but ultimately finished third and reached the quarter-finals of the Champions League, got two inclusions. Even one of them, Sadio Mane, was close to being omitted. For context I also gave the Greek champions Olympiacos two spots but they were eliminated in the Champions League group stage, having lost five of their six matches. According to Club ELO Olympiacos are currently rated as the 48th best side in Europe, behind 15 Premier League sides. When Rui Patricio left Wolves in the summer to join Roma, his replacement was compatriot Jose Sa, signed from Olympiacos and a player I have included in the last two seasons thanks to his miserly record in goal for the Piraeus club. Patricio himself was a mainstay of these lists as probably the best keeper in Portugal but once he joined Wolves he became, for my purposes, just one of many good goalkeepers in the Premier League. That reflects the challenge in compiling such an arbitrary list, particularly as I aim to avoid ‘homerism’ by just picking the best players in the Premier League. Yet as some have suggested, in some ways the Premier League is increasingly becoming akin to a European Superleague as the disparity in resources grows. To a degree picking a far greater number of Premier League players looks myopic and jingoistic. The PL teams are not invincible. Spurs lost to Dynamo Zagreb, Leicester were knocked out of Europe by Slavia Prague, Arsenal were dumped out by Roma and Manchester United only made the Europa League final after finishing third in the Champions League group. This season United have already lost to Young Boys despite the acquisition of Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane. Yet that reflects, as much as anything, the inherent unpredictability of football. Big teams can lose against smaller ones, players can outperform their normal level and top stars can have off nights. Smaller leagues can still produce top players and have their day in the sun but, as a general rule of thumb, the big leagues should boast much of the best talent. For that reason my lists should probably in the future slant to recognise the reality of modern football a bit more.
Now I'm definitely having a conversation with myself but I have been batting around some thoughts on whether my above suggestion was fair and why. Counterpoint - If the Premier League is so strong, how can players come and step up seamlessly to that level? The above argument can make it seem that I’m putting the Premier League (and other major leagues) on a pedestal and the rest of Europe as an inferior product. A reasonable counterpoint to that can be to look at some of the Premier League’s outstanding figures and see the way in which they have risen rapidly to be viewed in such a light. We can start with Ruben Dias. In a single year he could go from the Portuguese Superliga and end up being seen as the best performing centre-back in the whole of Europe over the course of last season. In taking on that mantle he succeeded the injured Virgil van Dijk who had himself made a similarly meteoric rise. After a career that had moved from Groningen to Celtic and then Southampton, his arrival at Liverpool, for a world record fee, saw him almost overnight become the best defender in the world. By the end of his first full year at Anfield he had provided arguably the best season by any centre-back in the modern era. Sticking with Liverpool players, Sadio Mane was playing in Austria prior to his move to England and, again via Southampton, a position among the best in the world in his position. Luis Suarez is another who, having shone in the Netherlands, was able to transition into the best player in the division and among the very best in the world. Given the way that these players have adapted to life in the big time, is it fair to suggest that the big leagues have a near monopoly on the best players? The first thing to point out is that I’m not suggesting that other leagues don’t have players who could make the step up. Undoubtedly, there is an enormous amount of talent beyond the five big leagues, much of which can and will prove itself in the future. The difficulty we have is in determining which of those players will truly excel and quite how good they are. Ruben Dias is again a good case study. When he joined Manchester City he was already highly regarded and only Harry Maguire, Virgil van Dijk and Matthijs de Ligt had cost more money among centre-backs. But equally, there were doubts over whether he would excel. After all, City had previously paid huge sums for Eliaquim Mangala, Nicolas Otamendi, John Stones and Aymeric Laporte with varying levels of success. Equally Virgil van Dijk was impressive enough at Southampton to merit a world record fee for a defender and had been their player of the season as well as Celtic’s prior to making the move. Indeed looking at some of Van Dijk’s statistics at Southampton and some of his displays against top quality opposition (for both Southampton and Celtic) suggested that he might already be one of the best in the world. However, in judging players it’s really important to take into consideration their role in the team and the their overall fit. A very interesting piece was posted some time ago by Thiago Estevao who had previously doubted Dias’s ability to make such a leap: https://tiagoestv.medium.com/intangibles-scouting-ruben-dias-8d70dbec4107 It reflected some of the difficulty in judging how a player like Dias might get on in another setting while also talking about the situation he found himself in at City where the whole team were significantly better than the prior season, while rivals were worse. Not only did Dias excel but probably the second best centre-back in the league and Europe in general was his partner John Stones, another hugely talented individual who had previously been doubted but prospered in City’s new-look team. There’s probably no position harder to assess in isolation than centre-back as a huge amount of it is dependent on role, style of play and the qualities of those around you. Dias’s reputation was hugely boosted over the course of a spell in late autumn and the New Year when City won 17 from 19 games and conceded just six times. The defensive solidity of City was the cornerstone of their title challenge and the arrival of Dias was seen as making a marked difference. Yet he joined a team who had conceded just 35 goals the previous year, having let in 27 and 23 in the previous two campaigns, and ended up letting in 32 goals (admittedly boosted by two late season matches as they prepared for the Champions League final). Did Dias have as profound an impact as was sometimes suggested? Part of our difficulty in making the judgement is in working out what made Dias especially good. The lack of compelling defensive metrics means it is a judgement in which a lot of subjectivity and opinion has to be involved. However, could we realistically have anticipated quite how good Dias would be or had the potential to be? Certainly there were some reservations about him despite the high fee and whether Portugal was an adequate proving ground. We can also look at players moving in the opposite direction. Last season a former Liverpool defender Sebastian Coates captained Sporting Lisbon to domestic glory and was named as player of the year for his exploits, a prize that Dias never won. Aged 20 Coates had arrived at Anfield as a player of huge promise but never really fulfilled that and after a spell with Sunderland ended up in the Portuguese capital. If the Superliga really was so competitive, how can a player like Coates suddenly prosper after not succeeding in England? Does performance in Portugal give us much guide to how a player will perform in another arena? Would Coates now command a similar fee after last season’s excellence? Looking at attacking players like Mane and Suarez we can find a similar problem. Mane excelled in Austria with Red Bull Salzburg while Suarez starred in the Netherlands before making a move across. But in both leagues we can find examples of hits and misses. While Mane and Erling Haaland, who scored 17 goals in 16 league games in Salzburg, successfully made the leap, the likes of Jonathan Soriano, Munas Dabbur and Shon Weissman have all struggled in tougher environments. Leicester City will hope Patson Daka proves a success story. The Netherlands is clearly a considerable step up from Austria but is not all that much easier to evaluate. For every Suarez or Van Nistelrooy, there is an Afonso Alves or Vincent Janssen, who have excelled in the Eredivisie but cannot make the transition. It’s somewhat telling that last season’s top scorer Giorgos Giakoumakis cost Celtic just £2.5m as potential suitors doubt the ability to transition. Now for the Dutch we are able to make more use of performances in Europe and against the highest calibre of opposition, as well as international performances. When Matthijs de Ligt and Frenkie de Jong made big money moves, we had a good feel for their quality based on their exploits in the Champions League and both have excelled since transfers to Italy and Spain respectively. It is naturally harder with players who have not proven themselves elsewhere or, in the case of Dusan Tadic or Daley Blind, played abroad without unqualified success. Really then what this all says is that it’s hard to judge the performances or quality of players outside the biggest of leagues. That’s not to say there aren’t excellent players there but the test is not sufficiently challenging for them to prove themselves. We might well think retrospectively that a player like Van Dijk or Suarez was in fact world class all along, and they might well have been, but without the chance to prove it at the top level, in teams competing for the biggest trophies, it’s incredibly tough to know at the time. In that regard we can see football a little like diving or gymnastics, disciplines in which technical proficiency is measured against the degree of difficulty. A player may pass all his tests with flying colours, but until challenged with a sufficiently difficult obstacle, we can’t ever conclude that they are truly ‘world class’.
What were your thoughts re the UEFA award re top ten and winner? My personal view while it states it takes into account domestic leagues and non UEFA International competitions, it is so heavily based on UEFA events, namely Champions League and the Euros and not the overall season. I am still not sure how Jorginho won, its not a competition re how many trophies a player wins in a season, no one was talking about him re one of Chelsea's best players and I feel late in the Euros, there was suddenly a penny drop moment re media, that, he could win both CL & Euros therefore should win. Yes he had a good overall season and a top five contender but not a winner. Re Sterling, arguably his worst season with City, yes he had a good Euros but was it enough to get him 8th place? If that was the logic, how was Bonucci (who was arguably PoT at the Euros) not get a top ten? Lukaku omission is harsh, a very strong season with Inter and a decent Euros despite Belgium's quarter final exit I would be interested to see the top twenty and what Italy players were just outside the top ten, surely it Bonucci, Chiesa and Chiellini were close as with Lukaku mentioned above.
I really don't know what the award is trying to recognise. It's all just a big jumble really. I think it's very hard to make the case for Jorginho beyond trophies. I think he was arguably the best player at the Euros but nobody was that out of this world and he wasn't in the top 20 Premier League players. The rest of the top 10 is really just a load of names thrown together. Having said that, I do think it's an extremely difficult season to measure because nobody did that well across the board. Jorginho was excellent at the Euros, not domestically. Kante was excellent in the Champions League, not in league or Euros. De Bruyne was good (but not at his best) across all three. Messi won the CA but wasn't at his own personal best at club level; Lewandowski great at domestic level but eliminated early in CL and Euros.
I wanted to wait a bit before expressing myself again on the Ballon d'Or 2021, FIFA the Best 2021 and basically the best player of the 20/21 season. I have to say that it's been a long time since I found the competition between the players to be homogeneous. There is clearly no player who stands out from the crowd, once you take into account all the criteria of the Ballon d'Or/FIFA the Best. Let's say that the three "favorites" are Messi, Lewandowski, Jorginho, in that order. Even I really think that Jorginho will be very far in terms of points between the first two, and I think it will be very close between Messi and Lewandowski, like Van Djik vs Messi in 2019. The thing that will probably swing the win to Messi, in my opinion, is his victory at the Copa America 2021. For the symbol and the great performance he did in Brazil, I think it will tip the scales in his favor and allow him to have a 7th Ballon d'Or. Nevertheless, the return to form and especially the maintenance in form of Lewandowski for two years, and especially the fact that he was not elected last year, will also play a lot in the votes, hence a very close victory for Messi. After that, I think the other opponents are far away, although Jorginho can be on the podium (watch out for the Final 4 in the Nations League), I think a guy like Haaland or N'Golo Kanté can easily fit in the top 5. I also think of Karim Benzema, who is one of the three strongest men of this beginning of the season 21/22, with Lewandowski and Haaland, in terms of stats. Behind, for a top 10, Cristiano Ronaldo will be it easily, as always with Lukaku, De Bruyne and Mbappé completing the top 10 in my opinion. Tell me what you think, has Messi's "timid" and "slow" start at PSG put his status as favorite for the best player of the year into question ? Thanks!
Best players 1. Lionel Messi (Argentina) 2. Robert Lewandowski (Poland) 3. Kylian Mbappé (France) Best Team Ederson Cancelo Stones Dias Shaw Jorginho Gundogan Mbappe Messi Foden Lewandowski
Is your list considering only the national leagues or the general season (leagues, UEFA Champions League, Euro, Copa America, etc) of the players? Because I see that the games he scored were only the league ones.
It covers the general season (so domestic leagues, domestic cups, Champions League etc) but not the major international tournaments. The stats are just for domestic leagues.
I have amused myself by calculating the total points received by each player in The Best and the totals are as follows: 1º.- Lewandowski: 1679 2º.- Messi: 1007 3º.- Salah: 631 4º.- Benzema: 494 5º.- Jorginho: 462 6º.- Kanté: 347 7º.- Cristiano Ronaldo: 286 8º.- De Bruyne: 177 9º.- Mbappé: 167 10º.- Haaland: 50 11º.- Neymar: 37
I have calculated all this with Excel, adding up all the scores of the people who voted for The Best award: 5 points for first; 3 points for second and 1 point for third. Those were the results. I didn't see the total sums anywhere and I amused myself doing the calculations.
moreso outcome bias. Just because Chelsea won ucl and Italy won Euro, it doesn't mean Jorginho was such a great performer. There are many components to winning thropies that far exceed any individual's ability and performance, luck is one of those. The lack of any critical thinking in those awards is laughable, honestly. Completely off putting. Also Varane 4th place in 2018.. LOL
It seems that the teams plays better with Jorginho though, at least according the website Macro Football. Just because he isn't good in the eyes, doesn't mean he isn't a top top player who contribute a lot for his teams.
How do you know that the point spread is right? It seems to me that this point split is what is done with Ballon d'Or but I never saw how the points were done for the Best, knowing that there are four panels of voters, the journalists, the coaches, the captains and the public (with 25% each of voting share). And especially that in view of the figures announced, Lewandowski 48 points, Messi 44 points and Salah 39, I would not understand that the gap between Messi and Lewandowski (600 votes according to your calculations) is greater than Messi Salah, while the gap by points is greater between the Argentine and the Egyptian (400 votes).