The Best Players of the 1994 World Cup

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  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Since in any case I saw probably as much of the 1994 group stage action (for different reasons) as the 2022 group stage action, and have just done a group stage XI and squad for 2022, I'll go with an attempt for 1994 (and one for the whole World Cup too - with just the odd change from post #248, just because the template uses more of a 4-1-2-2-1 so almost Christmas Tree with the left AM more attacking), to finally bring my contribution to this thread to an end (probably), even though I'm using a 2022 squad size actually, not a 1994 one!

    Group stage
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    Overall
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  2. wm442433

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    No Marcio Santos?
    (not that I truly remember everything, just, from memories, I think he was the best rated CB. And I can't remember Aldair at all)
     
  3. PDG1978

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    #253 PDG1978, Dec 5, 2022
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    Like you say it's difficult from memory, but for sure I had Aldair in the first XI myself (the 1994 XI I picked is the clearest in my mind still, out of all World Cups), and I'd say in general he was the smoother/classier defender (and to an extent this would have shown in this World Cup at least), while Marcio Santos was more of a 'stopper', but I do think he was himself a key part of the Brazil defence that conceded very few goals - I guess although it wasn't planned as the partnership it worked out well with them playing alongside each other.

    EDIT - I see that according to the Sofascore metrics Marcio Santos came out with a higher average score (whether WhoScored for example would definitely reach the same conclusion is maybe hard to be sure of though, and to a small extent maybe Aldair having one late sub appearance disadvantaged him, albeit not as much as it would have with the Castrol method). According to Titanlux's table, here, Marcio Santos is ahead but mostly the sources have them close (France Football with the etoiles out of 6 method did have him a little ahead, but there is a pattern with the Italian ratings in favour of Aldair on the other hand, with their 1 to 10 ratings method, including half points and sometimes a 'no rating' for games with few minutes or low involvement of course)
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/t...-1994-world-cup.2033907/page-10#post-40600263
    I will just double check the El Grafico (EG) number is correct for Aldair though, because IIRC they placed him in the final team of the tournament (which isn't strictly based on ratings, but still there would be a big difference in verdict between ratings and final XI choices in that case).

    Anyway, yeah, I'm 100% sure I, as a 16 year old, did have him in my XI of the tournament (the group stage a little less sure, but I think I had him making the XI at that point, because I'd started to think about it by then). I'd have more doubts though about whether his performances were a series of games at his top peak level, all in all, though of course.
     
  4. PDG1978

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  5. PDG1978

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    They're back available to me now, and yeah I can see his ratings weren't too low in Titanlux's table. but indeed El Grafico do still put him in their 1st team at the end.
     
  6. wm442433

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    I think that M. Santos was more present at both ends of the pitch. Not discussing about who was more "stopper" and who was more "libero" though as I could agree that if there's a distinguo to be made, it is more like you said, but with the one who is more stopper who goes more forward in this case (it can be, there would be other examples like that). As for who was more "organizer", if ever one was more than the other (so that's especially during this month ofc), dunno.
    Obviously, I did not re-watch. But yeah, they were quite different even though not that much specialized in one thing more than the other I guess. M.Santos was in super-form. Aldair was Aldair (still guessing)? Yes, I have a mitigated opinion on him, at the image of his tournament in two different parts it seems, according to what you say. just a sensation that when I saw him play, he was either fantastic or dunno, the opposite. Admirable during some periods or on a specific game and somewhat confusing at times.

    About the DM's or related, I think that Sunday Oliseh made quite a strong impression overall too.
    I think that my 11 was close enough;) The turnover between Jorginho and Cafu was interesting too.

    11 + most of the subs btw.
    Sergi : yes (although he made mistakes and was more of a LM overall, but who else? Yeah, Chamot was possibly more balanced). Benarrivo and Emmers : I just can't remember. Petrescu or Jorginho (Petrescu has had some flaws perhaps but Jorginho also started to fade when meeting stronger opponents I think). Baresi : at the time I was not blown away by his heroics in the final tbh, it was a bit crazy-crazy imo and he should have passed the ball in the final third. Santos over Aldair for me and Oliseh over Thern, I guess.
    Besides Jonk/ Silva (+ Redondo) I can't remember if the Bulgarian was good, for example. Was it Yankov?
    Forwards and AM's : 100% agree. And a little thought for Ravelli (who was not the best, agreed) and K. Andersson who also was in exceptional form. But then why not Raducioiu and hey, Dumitrescu, yes Dumitrescu still. The Germans are difficult to rate as they were not really forming a team it seems, but they were all not that bad I guess but yeah, difficult to make the cut anyway.
    Also, the Mexicans had some talents at this time I think : Aspe for sure then I don't remember about the likes of Zague and Hermosillo... or Luis Garcia (not to be confounded with Aspe hehe...) Possibly Aspe was not consistant tho. I remember that Hamzah Falatah made me a strong impression too.
     
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  7. PDG1978

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    I'll just give a quick reply wm (with an eye on the TV as Brazil try to score a 5th goal of course edit: and Alisson tries to stop a South Korea goal too!). Yeah, I think it is a World Cup we were both able to watch quite a bit of and 'memorise' quite well due to our ages maybe (though for me it helped that I did choose an XI and memorise that I think...and I remembered vaguely how that was developing....but also players outside it like Garcia Aspe indeed I remembered about, and Luis Garcia with his goals vs Ireland indeed). Yankov was not really a name I remembered (or picked out as an option for an all-star XI at the time), but actually in hindsight I have certainly noticed his contributions in games I have looked back on a bit (highlights or watching portions of games on Footballia), and I think he'd be a good contender among outright DMs yeah (but also he did assist both Letchkov's goals for example). Ravelli and Mihailov I'd have pretty much interchangeable maybe - both doing increasingly well as the World Cup progressed and their teams went far, I think, and making some impressive saves including from penalties. If I had also done a 'knockout stage' version I guess Dumitrescu would come into the equation yeah, and Raducioiu did well in the group stage and then got goals vs Sweden too of course (missing the Argentina game though), and yeah Andersson similar with contributions in the group and knockout games and seeming to be in top form in general I think. Yeah, I think it's a contender for best Mexican World Cup side maybe (they played pretty fluid football IIRC), though there would also be 1986 and 1998 that have claims and maybe more recent ones too.
     
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  8. PDG1978

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    I did make an attempt just for the knockout stage now too (even though I'd suggested a slightly different team/2nd team, in a diamond system, before) 1994knckoutstgexi.png
    It's probably more like a Christmas Tree, although it works well that Hagi is more the AM for example like this anyway, and for sure Brolin did play mostly from the right wing in the knockout-stages. It's hard to choose the perfect system for this World Cup anyway maybe (considering that a lot of the top performers were central attackers, not necessarily strikers, albeit 4-4-2 was probably the system of the time if anything....but several teams that got far played a different system to that anyway). The Onze Mondial team you posted was good in the respect of fitting players to the roles they played I think actually @wm442433 (maybe Maldini as sweeper is not really right, but it could be they represented things like that to show him as more of a full-time defender and Albert almost like an old-fashioned wing-half in some respects, getting forwards more often).

    Having made that squad too now, if anything I'd be tempted to put Redondo back in for Mauro Silva in my 'overall' squad, but it's hard to be sure on that - I guess it represents things better in some way to have the more pure defensive player who went far with his team and has the better collection of performances cumulatively I suppose (Mauro Silva), while Redondo's case might be for the peaks of performance and the creative/progressive capabilities moreso. I could have moved Jonk to where I just put Albertini in the above line-up of course but then I'd have Jonk and Thern as more central players (especially Jonk) mixed in with options more for a right side and/or attacking role, like Letchkov, and Hassler for example, all in contention for the one place. When I originally picked an XI at the time, I ended up with Thern and Hagi as CMs, which is maybe a stretch, considering Hagi's role especially (although he was more like a Platini type number 10 in the sense of involving himself quite deep in midfield quite often I would have said, as opposed to a Zico type number 10...although vs Argentina he played as the second most attacking player for sure, with Raducioiu missing, and generally roamed around quite a bit and had the likes of Lupescu behind, and Thern had Schwarz alongside/behind too: at one point I had had Jonk in the equation I remember at the time too, but maybe Thern vs Saudi Arabia and Hagi vs Argentina, albeit in an attacking role, sealed their places in effect despite Jonk scoring a goal in that last 16 round too - making himself space nicely too, albeit Bonner made a goalkeeping mistake that time to be honest with the shot!).
     
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  9. PDG1978

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    Maybe it's worth clarifying that Witschge is Rob Witschge (not Richard Witschge that played for Barcelona, who I remember Carlito asked about once because of a particular assist). Both were left footed, and they were a bit more similar than the Koeman brothers I suppose anyway (Erwin Koeman played in the same team as Ronald in Euro 88). Maybe wm442433 you remember both quite well, but @PuckVanHeel is probably the best one to ask, if anyone wanted to know more. Funny that both were in two major tournament squads in the 90s, but different ones (Richard, the younger brother, in 1990 and 1996, and Rob in 1992 and 1994).
     
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  10. wm442433

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    Yes. Lupescu and Albertini (and Dumi) coming into the picture. The Hollandese laterals...
    P. Andersson (no recollection but it rings a bell), Branco...

    Perhaps we're snobbing Dunga, idk?
     
  11. PDG1978

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    Perhaps so - my impression (maybe more from viewing footage of late, rather than memories) is probably that Dunga was if anything better near the start of the tournament. Lupescu I think was good vs Argentina and Sweden (again I go by reviewing footage a bit, and even looking at the ratings he got). But yeah, Dunga gets included/mentioned by other people/sources (although not always in terms of teams of the tournament - it seems like Mauro Silva shows up more in those IIRC but on the other hand Dunga gets better stats sites average ratings as Sofascore indicates). Andersson I think probably also did better in the knockout games (though he was a right CB and someone I hadn't mentioned yet, and Marcio Santos played left centre back and I'd earlier on mentioned him and potentially included him in a knockout-stage XI also, so those reasons played a part perhaps - Andersson cleared a shot by Romario off the line I think vs Brazil in the semi-finals so maybe I felt that counted positively too!). Maybe good to vary away from Brazil a bit, but I think my choices might be similarly good to picking the Brazilians at least, for knockout-stage (and possibly Lupescu over Yankov for knockout-stage seems feasible even though he played less games; on the other hand Sammer for example played less games than Lupescu).
     
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