The Best Players Never To Win Anything?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by soccerhooligan33, Apr 10, 2004.

  1. soccerhooligan33

    soccerhooligan33 New Member

    Oct 31, 2002
    Clifton, VA
    Who are the best players to have never won a trophy for club nor country?
     
  2. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    To my knowledge, Uwe Seeler only won one German DFB Cup.
     
  3. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
  4. jkl;

    jkl; New Member

    Oct 15, 2003
    In MLS, Mark Chung
     
  5. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    How 'bout - unluckiest player - Ugo Gatti - Argentinian goalie , getting hurt right before '78 WC.
     
  6. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    lately francesco toldo hasnt won much of anything
     
  7. Rollin_doobies

    Rollin_doobies New Member

    Apr 10, 2004
    hell if I know
    Mr. Kung Fu, flying fist of fury himself, Cantona.

    And practically the entire Netherlands squad from the 70s to the present. No World Cup glory for those choke artists.

    Van Basten
    Cruyff
    Neeskens
    Gullit
    Rijkaard
    Bergkamp
    Davids
    Manchester's dive artist
    and the rest of the origami Dutch players.

    Although same could be said for England AKA Argentina's shadow.
     
  8. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    The question was - no trophies :
    Cantona won tons at home
    Van Basten - Euro 88
    Cruyff - 4 Champions' Cups and 10 Domestic Titles, so on and so on.
     
  9. Soju Gorae

    Soju Gorae New Member

    Sure, but to soccer players, there's no bigger glory than World Cup glory.

    I'm sure Van Basten and Cruyff use their medals won in those respective tournaments as make-shift hammers to fix sh*i*t.
     
  10. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Allow me to correct myself - 8 domestic titles for Cruyff , here are his total awards :
    World Club Championship (1972)
    European Cup (1971, 72, 73)
    Dutch Championship (1966, 67, 68, 72, 73, 82, 84)
    Dutch Cup (1967, 70, 71, 72, 83)
    Spanish Championship (1974)
    Spanish Cup (1978)
    Individual Honours European Footballer of the Year (1971, 73, 74)
     
  11. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    There's an opinion that Euro is harder to win than WC , not necessarily mine.

    Anyway the
    question is best players who have not won anything.

    If it's best players who have not won WC , there would be way too many to choose from , me lineup would be :


    Yashin

    Suurbier , DeGuya (?) , Maldini

    Zizinho , Sindelaar , Cruyff , Strel'tsov

    Friedenreich ,Leonidas , Fontaine

    and that does not include DiStefano , Mathews , Francescoli , Baggio , Puskas , Zico e.t.c.
     
  12. LordR

    LordR Member

    Jul 12, 2002
    Germany
    Karl Heinz Rummenigge two times lost a world cup final.
    But at least he won EC 1980 and lots of national trophies.
     
  13. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which is mistaken, IMHO. It's probably harder to get to the second round of the Euro than to get to the second round of the World Cup... but to win the whole thing is another story entirely. No team trying to win the Euro has to go through Brazil or Argentina.
     
  14. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    There have been WC winning teams who did not go through Brasil or Argentina , only to have their fiercest competitors be eliminated by the aforementioned duo.
     
  15. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Plus a German championship and around 10 or so Northern German championship (before Germany had a national league).
     
  16. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    if that the case, this list will go on forever..... for example, every single English players since 1966, every single Italian player since 1982, every single Spanish players since the collapse of the Roman Empire and before....
     
  17. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)


    Excape Goat is right, the challenge posed by soccerhooligan is very specific and must be followed to make this a worthwhile excercise. So far no-one has provided a real candidate.

    Zico had a stellar club career, including winning 4 Brasileiro, the most democratic of championships to win.

    Seeler had one Bundesliga championship and one German cup.

    All the players named thus far have won something (not familiar enough with Mark Chung).

    This is truly a tough one to crack. To have an international career, the player will have had to distinguish himself on the club scene. If he didn’t find any success with his club, ambition and notoriety would probably have caused him to join a bigger club, thus likely winning something at that level.

    I thought about Gascgoigne, but he won an FA cup.

    I’m thinking it will probably be a relatively recent S.American player who left his country before winning anything and is still awaiting.

    Has Zanetti won anything?

    Maybe the question itself is an oxymoron...can a great player have won nothing? I'll keep trying.
     
  18. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Didn't Gascgoigne also bag a scudetto with Lazio?

    If you want a renound name for the sake of being contemporary I'd have to say Christian Vieri. The guy has scored soooo many goals in his career but has nothing to show for it.
     
  19. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Gascoigne didn't win a scudetto, but he did win three (or two) scottish titles with Rangers and the 91 FA cup with Spurs.

    Did Vieri not win a scudetto at Juve before he went to Atheltico, I had though he had.

    One name that comes to mind is Matthew Le Tissier of Southampton.
     
  20. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    We should put Gascoigne and Zico off the list. Zico, I believed, also won a Toyota Cup(at least won a Copa Libertadores). Gascoigne won so many titles in Scotland that I think he went there so that he can win something.

    Vieri has a Serie A title with Juventus in 1996/97. Zanetti won a UEFA Cup with Inter.

    It is a very tough question. In the older days, players stayed with the same club in his entire career. If his club happens to be a weak side, he might never win anything.

    Now, the poor clubs will either sell the player for money. Or he can move to a bigger club for money or glory??? Even for South American players, all the top clubs will snap them up before they head to Europe. It is hard to imagine a former River Plate or Boca Junior player never won anything at home.

    How about Socrates? I knew nothing about his club career. Or Falcao?
     
  21. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    According to one search I did, Socrates "played most of his career for Botafogo and Corinthians for whom he won three Sao Paulo state championships. Socrates also played for Flamengo winning a Rio state championship before ending his career in 1990 playing for Santos."

    I believe Falcao won (at least) the Scudetto with Roma in '83.
     
  22. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Melbourne
    Erm - so basically what you're saying is that any player who hasn't won a World Cup has won 'nothing'?

    Well that accounts for the vast majority of players in the game, great or otherwise.

    My god - the amount of people who know nothing about football, yet constantly try and make clever posts on sites like this never ceases to amaze me.
     

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