The best games of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    #1101 Frank73, Mar 2, 2026
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2026
    I agree with you, Ronaldinho has been a much overrated cash-cow for Pay tvs and apparel manufacturers, nearly as much overrated as Zidane. What I was meaning is that, 2000s decade being so poor football wise, a millennial young aficionado of the sport could have well chosen Dinho or Zidane as his favourite player, but that only as a consequence of hostory of the sport being criminally forgotten in the era of money overinflated bad football.
    PS Rivaldo definitely the best player of 1998-2006 Selecao
     
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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Who were the last truly greater Brazilian players, very very complete Total Footballers and consistent at the same time ?????

    It's really very very difficult to choose overall of anythem .

    I agree with you. From 1998 to until 2026.

    it is harder to choose any brazilian player ...1998 until .. 2026


    I'll think about it before responding to this.



    really the first name that came on my mind also was from Rivaldo ...

    o Pernambuco brasileiro .. !


    But I don't see him as Total Footballer.

    but at least Rivaldo was good at defensive Interceptions .....

    and
    He did more defensive covers than the rest of the other more famous Brazilian players and very very offensive players


    Like

    Ricardo Re Kaká
    Adriano Drunk
    Robinho
    Ronaldinho Gaucho
    Ronaldo Nazario de Lima ... o nosso querido Fofão rsrrsrsrs .."!
    Romário
    Giovanni O messias
    Fred
    Djalminha
    Alex de Sousa

    Rivaldo marked better than those mentioned

    and headed the ball better too.



    only Romario and Adriano Drunk ...
    They headed the ball well like Rivaldo.
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    it is harder to choose between brazilian players ... as being Total Footballers metrics
    and
    and the requirements

    to be fully integrated within
     
  4. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    #1104 Al Gabiru, Mar 2, 2026
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2026
    Well, I think you don't like him, and it's perfectly fine for you to think that way. I thought that was one of the best performances I've seen from a pure playmaker. Zidane makes few mistakes, rarely loses possession, and most of his passes are forward and into the opponent's half. Sofascore recorded 128 touches on the ball (with 90%). Other players may have had more beautiful individual highlights, but hardly with this level of volume and efficiency. The 9 dribbles would be something like 1:53; 2:55; 3:05; 3:31; 4:54; 5:40; 6:38 (3 players). Zidane floated across the field. You need to see every touch, some of them mundane, yes, to see how he controlled the game. In every single attacking play, Zidane was right there. For me, this performance is a work of art, but everyone has the right to think differently.
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    well,


    I saw the video fully ...

    and I saw this whole Match fully so many many times already ...


    this Sofa-Score Ratings ....


    Knocks Ball Past Opponent with Body-Feints :
    Definition: Increases the chances of a player looking to beet his immediate opponent for sheer pace and athleticism to get into a more advantageous position.
    Attributes: Work Rate, Acceleration, Agility, Pace, First Touch, Technique
    Trait: For advanced players who are expected to go forward with the ball; this is the trait to have. Also if you have players who are quick but have poor dribbling ability - this can be a useful trait to bypass the dribbling around an opponent scenario and move forward in possession.




    is funny ..

    that to Zidane or Lionel Messi ..or ..Ronaldinho Gaucho ...or Neymar Jr or Okocha ..or Maradona ..they count this type of dribble


    But Not for other players

    like Gullit
    Michel Platini, Pelé
    and Zico

    they don't count ..for them ....


    for example



    Zidane

    In the famous 3 dribbles past there

    There, two...

    He plays the ball into open space, using a little bit of body feints.

    Gullit dribbles like that, directly...on the Matches

    In games

    Just like Zidane did it on this Match against Portugal ...very very stranger approach from Sofa-Score Ratings

    They simply don't count for Gullit on the Matches ..

    Really strange for me

    And more +++

    Zico has had much better decisive games in the Brazilian Championship than this performance by Zidane versus Portugal . "!


    Basically, in this match, Zidane had one shot on target ratio %

    through the penalty kick only.
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Euro-Cup 1988 from Gullit ...

    with other pros
    and some pros similar to Zidane's

    Euro Cup
    Gullit's
    is neck and neck
    with this one from Zidane or Beckenbauer


    But both ...of them

    very very behind from Michel Platini and Gerd Muller

    1984 and 1972 !
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Van Basten Euro-cup 1988 .. much better than this Zizou's Euro -2000 !
     
  8. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    By the way, would you mind telling me where you place Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo in overall ranking of brazilian players?
     
  9. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    Can you show me when the play happened so we can take a look? I also didn't count how many times Zidane shielded the ball, and he did it a lot.

    Zico was an attacking midfielder, while Zidane was a pure playmaker; they did different things on the pitch. Zico, as an attacking midfielder, had his performance best reflected by G+A like Pelé or Messi. Zidane was dependent on a goalscorer because he was a pure playmaker who dominated the game with high passing volume, long balls, and ball retention, like Didi, Xavi or Modric.
     
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  10. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    Palmeiras
    Argentina
    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    They are all at the same tier of players like Didi, Rivellino, Zico, Nilton Santos, Domingos da Guia and some others.
    Only Pelé above them.
     
  11. Betrayed@Krondor

    Jul 11, 2023


    The thumbnail lies.


    This thread could probably use an index.
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Lamine Yamal


    He will easily surpass Ronaldinho Gaucho


    But

    from Rivaldo and Ronaldo Nazario de Lima

    It's a matter of
    a little bit more time...from Career

    But Lamine Yamal
    will surpass them both easily too.
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    much More media out than Total football on the pitch

    these 3 brazilian players mentioned by you .. !
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    from Zidane .. I like from him ..


    at Least ...

    for Juventus Turin ...

    1996/1997 seasons 1997/1998 ...


    Zizou ...

    had one average ..

    from defensive actions ... per game Of 11 defensive actions per 90 minutes played ...


    Clearances
    Defensive Headers Won % on the near Post .....Defending Set-Pieces moment ..to the Team .
    good clean tackles won %
    greater interceptions
    slide blocks
    defensive blocks
    stop crosses
    stop shots



    sometimes playing
    as a first defensive midfielder playing in the central areas on the pitch ...like ..Bonini and Platini for Juventus ...Turin... they ..played as a double ´pivot .... on the midfield ..80s ..

    1996/1997 season ...




    of course that Zidane wasn't from the same level Of Don Di Stefano, Wolf Zagallo , Ruud Gullit , Gerd Muller , Uwe Seeler, Michel Platini , Neeskens , Makelele Claude, Zito , Didi , Djalma Santos and Franz Beckenbauer .... as a Total Footballer

    work-rate ..in general ...



    But i like it ...

    Zidane ..

    11 defensive actions ...per game for Juventus ..


    honestly ..

    ..
    it even surprised me alot Al Gabiru honestly speaking to you ... "!



    Zidane in 1996/1997 ... season.;;

    reminds me ...on Pelé World Cup 1970 ... defensively speaking ..and work-Rate for Juventus ....


    at Real Madrid ...years

    Zidane

    His defensive work-rate has declined considerably.
     
  15. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    Palmeiras
    Argentina
    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I am not a speculative fiction writer.
    I only considered players with completed careers.
    All the players I mentioned have built a significant history for Brazilian football, considering clubs and the national team.
     
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  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Well... what I meant...

    In your view yes

    how would you classify these Brazilian players much more higher at his own Ranking list ,...

    In my case... certainly not.

    Equally being Brazilian like you

    I mean


    on Nazario ... Pernambuco Rivaldo ... o Bruxo Ronaldinho Gaucho " " entre aspas " " !
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  18. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Fede Valverde got a very rate 10/10 from L'Equipe yesterday after his hat-trick against Manchester City.
     
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  19. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Deserved
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Olise ... What a Player at all "!
     

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