The Arsenal vs. West Ham United, Premier League Matchday 24, 11 February 2024

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  1. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, Havertz is becoming a really good midfielder.

    :cautious:
     
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  2. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure: I’d have to look it up, but I’m drunk right now.

    During the broadcast they said his first (the penalty) was his 50th Arsenal goal, so I assumed they were talking all comps.
     
  3. ArsenalMetro

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    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    51 goals, 53 assists all comps
     
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  4. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    Arsenal FC
    No. As good as today was, it's not even the best Arsenal performance in the last ten days.

    The 7-0 at home to Everton from many years ago was the best, IMO. Those were some truly absurd goals.
     
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  5. And_ROOS

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    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Early on some bad giveaways, then became a bit conservative with passing when better options were there, started to take more "safe" risks after the first or second goal. By the end he was making runs on the ball. He wasn't poor by any metric, he just needs game time which depending on Tomi and Zinny he probably gets a bit more of in the next few weeks.

    Not even close. Very happy we took our chances and finally put a poor team to the sword, but this game was more about how bad WHU were.
     
  6. NorthBank

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    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
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    So IOW your original comment about Kiwior starting shaky was based more on his offense than his defense? My question was more about how he held up defensively. But I guess that shows how I gauge defenders in general, i.e. defending is job one. ;)
     
  7. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    More on his defense earlier, I didn't really care about how he played offensively because theres no point comparing him to Tomi or Zinny who are significantly better offensive players. It was more about decision making and positioning.
     
  8. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    For much of the game Havertz was the left 8 and Trossard the false 9
     
  9. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Offensively for much of the game they were playing as dual false 9s
     
  10. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He only misplaced three passes all day, but I think I know the one in our own half early on that you're probably referring to. I thought he settled in pretty quickly though and did very well against Kudus.
     
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  11. mebeSajid

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    Feb 16, 2009
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  12. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

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    Cincinnati, OH
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    United States
    FbRef says 51 and 48.

    Where’d the 53 come from?
     
  13. ArsenalMetro

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    Chicago, IL
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    #188 ArsenalMetro, Feb 12, 2024
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2024
    I think Transfermarkt counts drawing the foul that leads to a penalty that someone else scores as an assist, so that's probably the difference.

    Edit: Yeah, see the second Arsenal goal in this match from 2021.
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    As an aside, I wish peak ozil had got to play with Martin O and Rice instead of ... <checks notes> aaron ramsey
     
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  15. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Ramsey was good and would be perfect in our current system

    another player wasted by wenger forcing him into a holding role

    he should’ve been a ten or a modern 8
     
  16. yossarian

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    They had this exact discussion on the Arsecast this morning---about the Transfermarkt stat discrepancy/bolstering.
     
  17. NorthBank

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    Connecticut
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    United States
    From what little I could see & tell, that was the impression I got. And it seemed to work pretty nicely. And it's what prompted my comment about maybe we're better without Jesus? So, if I were coach, I'd be thinking "hmm, maybe Havertz at L8 and Trossard at False 9 is something I should try more, maybe next game in fact?"
     
  18. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't tend to look at a ton of xG maps, but I'd say that one was a damn pretty distribution
     
  19. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

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  20. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
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    --other--
    We gave up one shot on goal and only three shots yesterday.

    Everton had 7 shots and 3 shots on goal that day.

    I know nostalgia and nice goals and all, but I really think yesterday was the best and most dominant we've been.
     
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  21. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
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    My other point was that last week was more dominant because it's Liverpool.
     
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  22. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    There was a 10 minute spell after halftime where Liverpool were in top of us. It was maybe Two minutes in the first half in this match.
     
  23. CarlosKaiser

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    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
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    Belgium
    This is a really great video that shows how complex these pressing structures are
     
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  25. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    It also makes you wonder if Ode drops in to that space instinctively so Arteta having White take that space forces Ode to push further up into the space we want him in, or the "fun zone" as that clip puts it.
     

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