The Arsenal v. Olympiacos, Thursday February 27 2020, 2000 GMT

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  1. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This season sucks. This summer is going to suck.
     
  2. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    So I missed the second half because I got roped into interviewing law students and got a message from Llama suggesting we lost. I accidentally went into a mirror universe, didn't I?
     
  3. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's Mikel's post-match presser. Direct and honest as usual, which is greatly appreciated. But he might've taken a little more personal responsibility me thinks. He pinpointed the boys failure on defending set pieces, and not being clinical enough with the chances we created.

     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well, we know we are not good, and we played a lot of games in short space of time

    We so need a quality 8
     
  5. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Counterpoint:



    This was not the game to get mad about.
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yeah - i am not mad

    But we didn't play good football last night, at home, against weak opposition

    Top 10 is really our level
     
  7. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Caley's theory is that managers only matter at the margins - the players themselves are much more important. And our midfield sucks.
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yes, in that a manager delivering the par performance from an elite group of players - will deliver to a very high level.

    Increasingly my view is that the manager is only one part of an elite performance culture. The culture, the squad etc etc all have to fit together,

    So Arteta is helping us to modernise. This IP was missing and you see it on the field now.

    But the squad still has enormous issues. Like we don't have any elite, peak age CMs
     
  9. InTheSun

    InTheSun Member+

    Oct 20, 2005
    The Andes Mountains
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    That's a shit theory. You need good players to win for sure, but a shit manager will fVk up the best team, given enough time. Would Emery run away with the league with this Liverpool team?

    As far as the game I do agree the midfield needs better quality, but last night better use of what we have would have made a difference. Ceballos was deployed too timidly - playing not to lose, in the Torreira role, if you will. Why not just play Torreira if you want that? We needed better link up with front line from that position. We also nee better quality in Xhaka's position. And Laca was abysmal. Also we're not getting shit from our right back. When the greeks shut down the left side, that was really it.
     
  10. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah, it seems like Arteta's exposure to what appears to be a well-oiled machine at Manchester City seems like a pretty valuable opportunity. Hopefully we aren't run by idiots.

    Also: Liverpool are linked with Timo Werner. If that happens, I give up.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I don't think Caley would disagree

    But he is saying there is limits to what the managerial effect can do by itself

    We might have to face up to the alternative theory of liverpool

    They were developing an elite culture, and Klopp was merely one of their great hires

    He isn't making mediocre players great - they are elite players within the overall strategy
     
  12. InTheSun

    InTheSun Member+

    Oct 20, 2005
    The Andes Mountains
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    He has got the right players in the right spot in the right system. Milner, Henderson? Who would have thunk these were elite players just a few years ago?
     
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  13. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well that's exactly it.

    Both were likely very undervalued
     
  14. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    No reason to have BR Live anymore. It's the Unai Emery of streaming services.
     
  15. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess this supports Arteta's pointing to lack of clinical finishing as one of 2 big problems we showed.

    I guess this also supports the idea that the conclusions one can draw from any given game's xG map are pretty limited. Or at least that they're not particularly tied to the result of any given game.
     
  16. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're flattering Turner & B/R to say that they're as good as Emery. ;)
     
  17. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Best thing I heard today about last night was...

    Amy Lawrence saying that there was one silver lining... no Sweet Caroline.

    YES!!!
     
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  18. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Imagine if Lacazette had scored that A+ chance at the end of the first leg. 2 away goals.
     
  19. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Xhaka played a full 90/120 in 4 matches over 12 days. Is it because he is incredibly fit or because he doesn't run very much? Or because Arteta doesn't trust the alternatives?

    The perception of Xhaka seems to be as long as he doesn't f-up, he did okay. And under Arteta he's generally been steady. But when was the last time he really bossed the midfield? Is that something he is even capable of doing?
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Imagine if he was a 60m rated player
     
  21. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there's too many players that start frequently that have the perception of "As long he doesn't ******** up, he does okay" Kola, Luiz, Mustafi, Sokratis, Xhaka, Ozil, Pepe, Laca,
     
  22. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    to be fair . . . . . . . if you told me (and, i reckon, many other people) that you could get a "he didn't **** up" game from luiz and mustafi, you'd have a good number of pleased reactions.
     
  23. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    Still shocked and sickened by that loss. Just when they get my Hope's up they crush it. That's such an Arsenal thing to do. The defending was scandalous to say the least. Blame is on Luiz but also on Sokartis for the goals. Don't blame Auba for missing the sitter shouldn't have even be in that position. We were clearly not going to win Europa but its disspointing that by late Feburary we have nothing to play for. We will most likely go 9th-10th in the league. This summer without CL or EL is going to suck lol
     

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