The Almighty Sergio Ramos Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by -Fifth CharM-, Nov 18, 2007.

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  1. Digital

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    Dec 10, 2012
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    Well my response was certainly as far as just defending is concerned, I agree Ramos is more valuable to the team on the whole, no two ways about that for me.
     
  2. Zidane05

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    Also, when he's on, his ball distribution from the back is excellent for a CB.
     
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  3. -Fifth CharM-

    -Fifth CharM- BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2007
    Nonsense. Pepe is our best CB and has been since he arrived here. Before that it was Cannavaro. Sergio is great but he has never been our best.
     
  4. natenate101

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    Hmm, hit and miss for me.
     
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  5. Digital

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    I think all 3 of Ramos, Pepe and Varane are very adept at this and we are very lucky in that respect.
     
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  6. natenate101

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    Truth.
     
  7. Zidane05

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    Varane, yes. Pepe, not so much. He hits the ball blindly upfield far too much for my liking.
     
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  8. meringues

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    When this many people disagree with me re: best defender I'm tempted to just concede the point because I don't consider myself a very good talent evaluator, but I feel almost like there's some recency bias at work. Pepe was better last season but I thought Ramos was certainly better in '13-'14 and probably the year before that as well.

    As others have mentioned, though, I don't think there's much of a comparison in terms of the total package and overall importance to the team. I still think Ramos is the first guy on the planet I take if I'm building a team from scratch; not sure Pepe would even be top 5.
     
  9. fierro

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    I'k on the Ramos bandwagon with you but I feel like there are gonna be some people very disappointed in Perez. It will start with the players and trickle down from there. Iker, Ramos, Ronaldo, Pepe, Marcelo...I think are all on their way out within the next 12-15 months. I also don't see Benzema and Bale making it, Benzema because Benitez won't tolerate him and Bale for all his speed and stamina has no end product.
     
  10. natenate101

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    Pepe is and has been criminally underrated for some time now. If you feel Ramos is that much better, we can agree to disagree. As for Ramos being the first player you'd select when starting a team, I'd again disagree. If he wasn't a Madrid player Id say he is overrated but since he is a RM stalwart I love him, warts and all.
     
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  11. meringues

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    Yeah I should've been clearer - first CB I'd take. I dunno you're probably right on this.
     
  12. Digital

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    Agreed, always liked what I saw in Pepe from his Porto days and was very happy he was coming to Madrid, IMO he has it all strength, speed , stamina, can take care of the ball, can play out from the back, good anticipation, good in the air, good 1 v 1, he used to be much better at set pieces in attack but that has fallen off a bit, but just a good all round defender very very underrated in my view.
     
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  13. sleepyvato50

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  14. meringues

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    Thought there was only one year, not two. Whatever, it'll get done.
     
  15. MadridOzil

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    Which is what I hinted at.

    This is all part of a negotiation as this will be his last contract. It will happen in time. Has enough time left on his current deal.
     
  16. temesgen

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    Jun 27, 2004
    Ramos can save penalties, score penalties and freekicks, lead the defense and be the first one up field on the counter attack - the dude is up for anything. Yes he makes mistakes but as a player I love him. He gives everything for the club. As you said warts and all I'll take him.
     
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  17. -Fifth CharM-

    -Fifth CharM- BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2007
    Those things are great but they don't have anything to do with actual defending such as positioning, marking, concentration, tackling, space coverage and challenging for the ball. All areas in which Pepe is better than Ramos at.

    Ramos will always get praise for the very reasons you mentioned above as he did when we won La Decima and then subsequently winning defender of the year ahead of Pepe and Godin; but those traits doesn't make him a better defender.
     
  18. temesgen

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    Jun 27, 2004
    The things I mentioned have nothing to do with his ability to defend, I brought them up bc for me Ramos is someone who loves football. He'll step up and take a penalty kick, he'll bomb forward to try and help the attack bc he is passionate. Its also true that he lacks focus at times, my point is simply that I am ok with it bc on balance he's not a robot, he's someone I can relate to.
     
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  19. Castillas

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    ... miss penalties... :)
     
  20. fierro

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    Its really not debateable. Ask any neutral (non madrid fan) to pick between the two and Ramos is gonna be the preferrec choice, precisely because you can get any grunt to go out and bring it on defense but Sergio can ball.
     
  21. temesgen

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    Jun 27, 2004
    That too but he'll try. If we were ever in a situation where we couldn't make any more subs and keeper was injured he'd put the gloves on and do his best. he isn't afraid to try and I respect him for that even if at times I'd prefer that he didn't.
     
  22. sleepyvato50

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  23. Digital

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    Dec 10, 2012
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    I agree with him, he brings much more to this team than some of our highly valued strikers and midfielders, defender or not, and he is the leader of the team.
     
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  24. yoanaidarov

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    Players have no right to demand anything when they have 2 years left on their contract.
     
  25. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
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    But apparently, the club has the right to try to push players out when they have two years left, or we call them mercenaries when they try to get the full value of their contracts. Funny world we live in.
     
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