The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

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  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #40276 Paul Berry, Feb 9, 2024
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2024
    There was a bidding process for the D1 league that USSF had promised FIFA.

    There were 3 bids. This is from one of the others

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    A goal would get between 1 and 6 points. 6 points would be for a defender scoring from his zone (between the red lines looking right to left).

    The voting went MLS 18, APSL 5, the above 0.
     
  2. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of the APSL's decline happened before MLS was even proposed. At the time the MLS proposal was submitted to USSF in 1993, the APSL's 22 original clubs had dwindled to 4 and it was only a viable league because it brought in three clubs from the Canadian Soccer League which had just folded the previous year.
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe 7 teams had signed up for MLS by then with a much bigger financial commitment.
     
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  4. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By the way, USSF has now sanctioned two D1 women's soccer leagues. This definitively answers the question as to whether it would sanction parallel D1 leagues.

     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So there you go. Anyone who wants to start D1 league in the US with promotion and relegation that's your cue.

    All you need to do is meet divisional standards.
     
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  6. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Which , for men at least, are set up for closed leagues not a pro/rel pyramid.
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No more so than Belgium, or the Netherlands or Germany.
     
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  8. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    That’s one open system to allow a whole new first division league!
     
  9. psnotyours

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    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    Its' more earlier say than done. USL could become D1 but the quality needs to improve a lot.
    Who else is going to start a new league?
     
  10. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Are they pro/rel leagues?
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do I sense the ground shaking? Because the goalposts are moving.

    We were talking about an alternative D1.

    You stated that the US Soccer Federation Professional League Standards are set up for closed leagues, not a pro/rel pyramid.

    Those standards require that teams have sufficient finances to play at a higher level, just like in many European systems.

    If USL for instance, wanted to create a professional D1 league with promotion and relegation they could.

    They'd just need to find 12 owners initially with sufficient funds. Any teams that wanted to be promoted would need to meet certain requirements.

    You might get a system like the Netherlands or Belgium (one of them) where a team has to announce at the start of a season that they want to be eligible for promotion.
     
  12. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This is going to get good! Two D1 Women's league in the same country. It's either going to end in a merger or one is going to put the other out of business. But both won't survive simultaneously.
     
  13. psnotyours

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    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    No matter what happens one of them will fail. As soon as one of them feels like their business is going downhill they will ask for a merger. This will take many years until we see which one will fail but my guess is USL Super League. Yes, because USL is new.
    Depending on how many teams each league when this happens. They could even add Pro/Rel in a closed system. The close system is the only way I see MLS adding Pro/Rel.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reminds me of when we had two pro women’s basketball leagues. The WNBA is an adjunct to the NBA and has a very short season. The other one played fall to spring like everyone else. It had the better players because it had a normal length season. And the WNBA put it out of business eventually.
     
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  15. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    I went to several Seattle Reign (the original al Reign) games back then, probably 75% plus. I'm still holding a grudge and boycott of the WNBA.
     
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  16. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    It all.comes down to who has better TV deals. No league can survive without a good TV deal. How good of a TV deal.each league has depends a lot on viewership and interest.
     
  17. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the two may fail, but not because of USSF denying D1 status.
     
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  18. BOSNAINTER

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    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    No league can fail. Like in europe there is many leagues below top one and they run. Jist because here they want to destroy any competition
     
  19. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Multiple leagues have failed in the US and Canada. Perhaps you should look around BigSoccer.
     
  20. BOSNAINTER

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    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    League failed because ot os buisness single entity. Ot os not just governing body but everything in between. Reson euro.leagues do not fail is because they are just name governong body clubs are league
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The single entity has kept the league alive. Every previous attempt failed.
     
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  22. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Did you actually watch the APSL/North American futbol league? That league did NOT have single entity. Teams rapidly folded. I watched. Few others did.
     
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  23. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    The close system works if you don't have history.
     
  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whatever happened to the the Combination League, the Lancashire Combination League, the Cheshire County League, the Willesden & District League, the London League, the Spartan League, and the Athenian League?

    Just to name a few of the now defunct leagues that Chester and Wealdstone played in over the years.
     
  25. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I don't think anyone is saying it will fail because D1 status was denied. D1 status was already granted to USL Women's league. Let's just wait and see which one wins out; NWSL or USL.
     
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