So he just admitted that owners are excited to build from scratch ... which is exactly what expansion is the overwhelming majority of the time. Fantastic insight ...
It certainly seems a lot more interesting to buy, say, Wrexham than a US minor closed league team. At least with the former you are in control of your own destiny and can progress upwards based on your performances on the field of play.
With the latter at least you are in control of your own destiny and can progress upwards to whichever level is right for you and aren't artificially crippled due to a single season of results.
like i said people want competition. just watch american owners inlower leagues building stadiums playing chess moving piece here or there. it is just more exiting getting team from loer divisions to top division then be in same division and constanly suck
Like in IOWA, or QUEENS? I know, it is exciting! Yeah, it is pretty crappy watching Southampton suck in the Prem each season, that's true.
So, in Premier League era, Southampton got relegated once, that must have been sad. And, I think relegated from Tier 2 once as well. But they been promoted twice, from the Tier 3 (to tier 2) and from Tier 2 (back to the Premier League), so that must have been exciting. So, I'd say a pretty entertaining century so far to be a Southampton supporter. On the surface of it, more exciting than being a Colorado Rapids fan (1 MLS Cup); and I'm reasonably entertained.
Yes the promotion part of pro/rel is exciting. Right now it's July, we have a new coach, half a new squad, and I'm optimistic. We'll see how long that lasts.
lol. Playing a new set of teams must be nice. We have the same good coach but lost most of our best players to bigger teams and European dreams. Last season was great, this season the hope if fading fast. lol
Sure, but the last 5 seasons have been rather shit ... Even their 8th spot 6yrs ago wasn't a winning season COL was first in the West and 2nd overall just last year And in the Prem era COL has been 5th or better 6 times and won the league, neither thing Southampton has done once (in the top flight)
Winning is exciting too. Losing not so much. Maybe we should scrap counting score? And surely your lot are excited about visiting Dorking Wanderers for the first time??
Well this is an entertaining read: https://worldsoccertalk.com/2022/07/19/mls-vs-usl-soccer-war/ Oh, and the NFL isn't popular in Europe.....
LOL ... Potential expansion markets for MLS. JFC WST tries to frame MLS in the worst possible way, always ... The clubs/markets they get for MLSNP aren't going to be those that are on that level ... Huntsville AL ? Puh-lease. Rochester saw its ship sail 20+ yrs ago ... The league is literally just a development league, and look at the language -> MINOR LEAGUE. Can't burn both ends of the candle WST
I like my local USL club but this “USL is authentic soccer” sentiment is getting increasingly cheesy.
As I said, I've been entertained by Colorado. But, logistics aside, if we could experience the up and downs pro/rel; the variety of teams played over the decade, compared to Southampton; I'd take it. And I don't know if those promotions were done by winning the Championship, coming in 2nd, or winning the promotion playoffs; but I'd put them on par with our MLS Cup win (which I did love). But it is what it is; I'm not going to let format stop me from enjoying soccer.
That's the bottom line and we (almost all of us) agree on that infinity percent. Personally I wouldn't go as far as saying gaining promotion to (or back to) the top tier is on par with winning the top tier ... but that's just me. It also flies in the face of a big argent pro/rel folks tout, that it allows for any team a chance to win it. If that's a hat being hung, then simply getting promoted to the top tier isn't on par with it ... because if it is, then either the promotion isn't as deep/meaningful as they play it to be, OR winning the top tier isn't.
I think it depends. For a club getting to the premier league for the first time, or for the first time in a long while, it's probably more exciting than it is for fans seeing their club win the premier league for the 5th time in a decade. I don't think Leicester fans would say getting promoted to the premier league was better than winning it, but I don't really think any fans would be claiming that anyway. I don't really think "any club in the country can win the premier league" is any more than an "in theory" idea, anyway. Yes, Littlehampton Town could build on their promotion from the Sussex regional leagues, and surge up to the premier league, and blow everyone away from their three-sided ground, but nobody about the age of about 9 is actually entertaining the idea as a possibility. For every club, it's about how far you can progress.
Well he was specifically stating his team's one title and having promotions if that were the system, on par Though I find it hard to believe that a Liverpool fan would equate a promotion after a drop to their most recent Prem title ... but again, that's just me Oh, and you'd be surprised how many folks older than 9 (at least physically) in the overarching pro/rel debate toss out that "everyone" line ...
Interesting analysis that the inequality in Europe is what makes xG predictive and why it doesn't seem to work as well in MLS. https://www.americansocceranalysis.com/home/2022/7/20/europe-money-and-the-problem-with-disparity
That's not what I said though. I'm saying that success after a long drought will be appreciated more than a win in times of plenty, simply because if you are at the top and measure success in the number of tropies won each season, individually those trophies won't mean so much. Nottingham Forest supporters will have probably enjoyed their promotion more than Man City fans enjoyed their 4th title in five seasons. If they were to somehow win the title in the next few years, they'd probably enjoy that more than their recent promotion though. By the same token, Bournemouth fans, while undoubtedly delighted to have gone up, it probably won't have scaled the heights of getting there the first time. If/when the Saudi money turns Newcastle into title winners, they will go crazy for their first title since 1927. If they win four of the next six, it'll still be a big party, but won't be quite the same.
He was speaking about COL's sole MLS CUP title (top tier win) and putting the Prem era Southampton promotions on par with that. In the roughly same time period COL has only ever won the top tier title one time. Southampton has had more than one promotion to the Prem. I don't see those things being equal. In the example you use above, we're on the same page. But this is splitting hairs, we're truly in the same arena of thinking. Where I differ is the "Prem era Southampton VS same time COL Rapids" bit.
xG is incredibly accurate in the sense that if you hear a fan talking about football, and quoting xG stats, there's a 99% probability that they are a bell end and not worth talking to.