The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

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  1. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I had to block one obnoxious prole.
     
  2. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL ... the ones in that thread are particularly pitiful, ignorant, and selectively applying their principles.
     
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  3. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also interesting of note in that, is how the FA is asking the EPL to pretty please do this. Weird how that works eh?

    But do go on about MLS running the USSF ...
     
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  5. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Probably just you not being able to understand sports economics.
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did he Pulisic explain that Reyna the McKennie lack of Aaronson pro/rel Scally is Weah why we Adams can't Richards produce any Turner decent players?
     
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  7. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He was a Brazilian living in Utah, so he probably doesn't know them.
     
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  8. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The FA doesn't compile the fixtures each league uses, so it's a request.

    For years, the FA and the Football League were in something of a power struggle. The Premier League doesn't have the same kind of relationship with the FA, so it's not likely to be an issue.


    On a different note, those 'last to first' stories that can't happen in pro/rel leagues...

    Next weekend's rugby premiership final will contested by the two teams placed bottom in the 2019/20 season.

    OK, Saracens' place at the foot of the table was due to a massive points deduction for salary cap breaches, but they still had to play one season in the division below, and they have now built another title-chasing squad while being fully complaint with all salary cap regulations. Yes, really. Honestly. I don't doubt it for a second. Not at all.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The FA does have a little more influence over The Football Association Premier League Limited than it does over the EFL.
     
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  10. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought the PL existed outside the Football League and so therefore the FA doesn't technically have any authority over it? Am I wrong about that?
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The FA is the governing body.
     
  12. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    In terms of governence, there's no link between the Football League and the FA.

    The Premier League was initially formed under the umbrella of the FA, but was a separate body. There were more than a few suggestions that one reason why The FA (who are meant to look after the whole of the game in the country) agreed to do something that would be potentially damaging to the rest of the Football League, was that it gave them an upper hand in the on-going FA v League power struggle.

    The FA still has the ultimate right of sanction over all leagues, but doesn't get involved in the production of fixture lists. There is a fair degree of co-ordination between league on these too. Even with Nottingham Forest in the Premier League, and Notts County in the 5th tier, you almost certainly won't see them both be at home on the same day, for example.

    There are other considerations. Reading are never at home on the August Bank Holiday weekend, as that would clash with the Reading Festival. Bournemouth, I believe, aren't at home on the May Day Bank Holiday, because of the potential for trouble if thousands of away fans come down for the weekend (as Leeds did one year).
     
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  13. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    MLS has similar considerations. They typically won't schedule matches that coincide with anything that anyone might remotely want to watch.
     
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  14. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The best time for #ProRelintheUSA would've been been when MLS had 10 teams.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But both MLS and USL A-League were both barely hanging on.
     
  16. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It still seems strange to me that pro/rel leaves whole regions of countries (like southern Argentina) without a top flight club.
     
  17. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you were to draw an east-west line through the southernmost stadium in the league (in Mar del Plata), almost 95% of Argentina's population would be north of it.

    Even so, it's striking that there are currently no clubs south of Puerto Madryn in the top three divisions.
     
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Population.
     
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  19. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's almost as if a certain something matters and DOES play heavily into things ...

    ... hhhmmmm
     
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  20. aleaguer

    aleaguer Member

    Feb 17, 2000
    Wichita, KS USA
    just like land don't vote, land don't go to games.
     
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  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Some gas on the embers of this topic!
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fire was rather quickly and brutally extinguished. How does a team watched by 200 people assemble a competitive squad in a 2 month off- season within the rules of a (US $6.6M) salary cap?
     
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  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know that, I watched the video. The idea is interesting though. It would drive at least some more interest in the bottom team matchups at the tail end of the season. How much interest? That's very difficult to say.

    The salary budget details are a large hurdle which has been gone over ad nauseum here.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the first step they'd need to take is a national professional second division.
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The NRL isn't really a national league now. It is really concentrated in the Rugby League heartland of the country in New South Wales and Queensland.

    9 of the 16 current teams are in greater Sydney. And 1 more just a little farther away in New South Wales. There are another 2 in the Brisbane area, 1 in northern Queensland, 1 in Melbourne, 1 in Canberra, and 1 in New Zealand.

    There are plans to expand. Brisbane is getting another team next year. Perth has an expansion bid that seems to be linked with a lower division team in Sydney. New Zealand might get another team. But then they will probably split into side-by-side conferences. Sound familiar?
     

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