The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    I'll beieve draft order is worthless when all US closed major leagues make the order completely random.
     
  2. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    Watford v Norwich City tomorrow (Friday).
     
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  3. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    If you think that perennial failures Detroit and New York Jets aren't coasting, you're not paying attention.
     
  4. M

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    For a few that's true. But they typically get their comeuppance and more pretty quickly.
     
  5. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    Has that "brutal local media" improved the Jets? Wait, no it hasn't.
     
  6. owian

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    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was a history major in college but doesn't 55 + 45 = 100? So after two years they would have gotten approx. a years worth of PL money in the form of parachute payments. I did get this from Wiki and read the article last week so if I missed something let me know.

    But even if the numbers are a little different it wouldn't change the fundamental argument for me. The only way that changes is if a relegated club was actually getting more money then the clubs that stayed in the prem. In that case they would be getting rewarded for failure.
     
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  7. owian

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    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We generally find ourselves on the same side of this debate which I respect. But I hope you're not just looking at historical records and drawing inaccurate conclusions. While it is possible that some teams are just plugging along and bringing in money I would be careful making generalizations. Unless your on the inside, basic incompetence can often look like a plan.

    Basically unless you know the difference between a Cover 2 and a 0 coverage and when it's best to deploy each then I'd probably stay away from specific comparisons between the NFL the Prem.
     
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  8. HailtotheKing

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    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The NBA Lottery pretty much makes a joke of it ...
     
  9. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    And, as I pointed out in an earlier post, those percentages are of the fixed portion of tv money, which is 50% of the total.
     
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  10. M

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    Have the New York Jets results improved?
     
  11. M

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    "Already relegated" Norwich City win 3-0. Good lord, Watford looked bad. So Norwich are currently out of the relegation zone: two points ahead of Watford with Watford having two games in hand.

    Meanwhile, "Coasting" Detroit Lions completed yet another season of abject failure and were rewarded with better draft choices.
     
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  12. Chesco United

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    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Have Grimsby Town's results improved?
     
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  13. Chesco United

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    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The Lions beat the #1 NFC seed Packers in their final game.
     
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  14. M

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    After Green Bay had already secured the No 1 seed in the NFC and thus was a meaningless game for them other than in avoiding injuries.
     
  15. M

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    Unlike with Detroit being awarded better draft choices for their failure, Grimsby were relegated to the National League at the end of last season. They and Southend were replaced by Sutton United and Hartlepool United. Sutton are currently 3rd and Hartlepool 17th out of 24 teams in League Two.
     
  16. Chesco United

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    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So, only some wins count?
     
  17. M

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    Did I say that?
     
  18. Chesco United

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    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You implied that the Lions last day win didn't matter, because Rodgers didn't play the last game.
     
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  19. M

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    I said it was a meaningless game for Green Bay... which it was.
     
  20. Dunno if it's an accurate description of Everton's situation, but this article describes their relegation battle woes after investing a whopping 660 million (€€ or BPounds?).
    So it takes more than money to be successful in a P/R league.
    http://www1.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=399242
     
  21. AlbertCamus

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    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Unlike NFL fans in Oakland and San Diego, or Rochester NBA fans, or Brooklyn Dodgers fans; Grimsby and Southend still have their team. And the league they play in was determined by performances on the field.

    As far Sutton and Hartlepool; 2 clubs promoted, one low in table, one high; seems like a reasonable healthy state of affairs.
     
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  22. Chesco United

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    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Does Wimbledon still have their team? They just have an American style phoenix side.
     
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  23. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    The one example amongst professional teams in England in over a century. So whataboutism at its finest.
     
  24. JasonMa

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    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know there's more than one example of teams that no longer exist and have been replaced by phoenix clubs.
     
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  25. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    That wasn't his point. The discussion was about relocated teams.

    What I do know a boatload of minor league teams in the US have disappeared in the last ten years.
     

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