The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s almost as if there is a global pandemic going on that has depressed attendances across the league…
     
  2. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    PLS wouldn't allow for this. It's the whole argument about how Barcelona couldn't even be a D3 team in the US.
    Setting aside the fact that the PLS stipulate a "principal owner" (and use his/her pronouns to address said owner), the wealth requirements are way out of whack for what a dedicated corporation, solely in the service of the club, would need.

    It's doubtful that the expectation is that a $10 millionaire would have to bankrupt themselves and live out of a van by the river to keep their D3 team afloat through the rest of the season, whereas the "corporate owner" (theoretically) isn't having to pay its kids' private school tuition; the mortgage on the lake house; maintenance and insurance on the 911 and G-wagen; etc.
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There a PLS committee. They would put any proposal to the Pro Council.

    MLS used to have 9 out of 17 votes on the Pro Council. I'm not sure what it is today.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe in Chicago. NYC shot themselves in the foot by offering rock bottom ticket prices in Harrison then trying to make up for it by gouging fans at Yankee Stadium. $48 for a ticket in the Bleachers.
     
  5. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I kind of admire you digging your heels in on this, but who would build a league structure around "waivers"? And why should a league that has internal pro/rel require waivers anyway? They shouldn't; that's the point.

    Predictably, you provide no rationale for that opinion.
     
  6. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    What a surprise!
     

  7. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, that question is easy!! The NASL!

    Guess you missed the news....

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-...-marketing-parting-ways-after-nearly-20-years
     
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  9. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know what you're talking about.

    Pro/rel between USASA and professional leagues can't happen for a number of reasons not related to PLS.

    Neither NISA or USL or MLS is lobbying for pro/rel between professional leagues.
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That comes from someone who resorts to personal sleights when he's losing an argument.
     
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  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was probably forgettable. Are we expected to go through 93 pages?
     
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  13. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's waivers in pro/rel leagues ... NEXT
     
  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    So still no rationale from you.
     
  15. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    There's a search function.
     
  16. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I don't see what your reply has to do with my comment.
     
  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you know how many times you've mentioned SUM in this thread?
     
  18. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Do you think I care?
     
  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not well. But we also have another example: USL!

    You also still haven’t shown that waivers would even be required in a pro/rel league. USSF has always taken a light touch when it comes to how the various leagues organize themselves..



    Then maybe you should stop saying USSF is still in MLS’s pocket…
     
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  20. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    Yet USL is purportedly going the route of requiring every team meet division 2 standards...

    Deal terminates at the end of 2022. As I've posted before, hopefully we'll get an accounting for the USSF as to how much MLS has benefited over 20 years from being in bed with SUM, but I'm not exactly holding my breath for that.
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No they're not. It was the writer of The Athletic article who suggested that.

    It's in their financial statements.
     
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  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So? J-league and K-League require teams meet certain requirements before they can join their lowest level and they must be licensed to meet the standard for their next level before they are eligible to be promoted.

    So, again, how does the PLS prevent pro/rel? USL requiring teams to meet D2 standards is not a valid argument as it is in line with other pro/rel leagues.


    this doesn’t support USSF is in MLS’s pocket tho..
     
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  23. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    #31373 M, Jul 27, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2021
    Which is not equivalent to requiring every team to meet the standards of a higher league before being able to play in a lower one.

    No, it simply isn't. Even the examples you give aren't equivalent. And that's ignoring countries such as England where you don't even have to reach the standard of the league above to get promoted to that league, let alone play at the level of the league below.

    And, of course, all we're talking about is a two-level pyramid. Imagine how absurd this becomes if you want more levels involved in a pro/rel pyramid. So, yes, the PLS absolutely get in the way of a pro/rel pyramid.

    It supports the fact that the USSF, through SUM, has been effectively supporting MLS for two decades.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #31374 Paul Berry, Jul 27, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2021
    Same with EFL League Two.

    Regionalliga West winners SV Rödinghausen did not seek promotion to 3. Liga last season because their stadium didn't meet capacity requirements. Second place SC Veri took their promotion slot.
     
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  25. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    #31375 M, Jul 27, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2021
    No. To be promoted to League Two, you need to meet the qualification criteria for that league. You're then given a grace period to meet the membership criteria. And those qualification criteria are the same as the membership criteria of the level below - the National League. The same principle applies all the way down from there. I would have thought someone whose team got relegated to the National League would know this.
     

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