The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we're lucky to have PLS that are based around the long- term financial viability of each team. Other countries and leagues aren't so lucky.

    I'm sure most of the bigger independent USL teams will survive, as well the reserve teams. If you look at the amount of money many teams are investing outside of the team itself its obvious that they're looking at a long- term investment. They should be able to weather a 3 month delay especially as they have October and November to add at the end of the season. Maybe they'll reduce the number of teams in the playoffs.

    NISA is a bit of a concern but surely they weren't planning to live on the meagre attendances most were getting and they must be saving costs on stadium rentals and player salaries.

    Most of the a UPSL, NPSL and USL L2 teams won't have started their sessions yet.
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks like RSL are the first MLS team to "furlough" employees. I doubt that includes the players as they are employees of MLS. MLS and the players union can discuss it directly.

    Another benefit of the American pro soccer business model!
     
  3. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    NISA is absolutely a concern, but I would chuck USL-1 in the same boat. CRW and Tormenta see about the same size crowds as NISA (though Michigan Stars will lower the bar permanently) gets lampooned about and they're in even riskier situations because they're building their own stadiums.

    You're right that the MLS reserves teams are fine, but Tucson is certainly in a less than ideal spot, and Omaha couldn't possibly have predicted a worse inaugural season.

    But the bottom of NISA is definitely in the biggest danger, I'd say.
     
  4. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I finished watching season 1 last week. It's too bad it didn't include more context as to what had happened prior to their relegation from the Premier League, i.e. the Di Canio nonsense appointment, the complete mishandling of the Adam Johnson situation etc. But really, few came out with any credit from that series, which was hardly a shock.

    And lol at those new owners. They are classic "wide boys" imo, Sacking Chris Coleman on the day they arrived was as predictable as it was bizarre. Really, Coleman and the also-fired Scottish CEO whose name I don't recall were the only ones who were competent imo.
     
  5. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I always like Coleman. Loved him at Fulham.
     
  6. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really liked that dude

    I truly believe that the merits of "our" system show in this situation. They requirements to even get a franchise have already ensured that the clubs are on a better footing to deal with this than MOST lower division clubs in other set ups (pro/rel, hybrid, or other make ups).

    I don't doubt there will be SOME attrition but that's going to happen everywhere. The longer it goes on, the bottom of any wealth pool in any business is going to get squeezed out. There'll likely be a handful here and there (all systems) that see owners just say "******** it" and move on. I do still feel our system is better position for the clubs survival in all of it though. The ownership requirements mean that the money is already built in for this type of thing and while match day monies are HUGE, they aren't the debilitating blow to USL clubs that they are to lower league clubs pretty much everywhere else.

    Agree 100% .... on both parts.
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    Evidently the Coronavirus shut down discussion about pro/rel as well everything else.
     
  9. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Always a silver lining.
     
  10. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    The virus has robbed us of the essence of the sport. How am I supposed to enjoy life if a crappy sports team isn't threatened with being moved down to a different league?
     
  11. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    I've wished my whole life that my locale would get a team in a second rate national spring football league. No WFL team, No USFL team, no XFL team, no AAF team. Finally we get a team, I get season tickets, go all in with merch, watch every game, and were done halfway through the season. I get 2 games. I'm not sure if the lack of pro/rel had anything to do with the folding.
     
  12. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    This would a great year for Euro leagues to do playoffs. One and dones with the top 8 behind closed doors would be tv gold. The winners of the first round go to the ucl and then vie for the title. Lovers of the first round could playoff again for Europa league spots.
     
  13. Seems to be a pipe dream according to this article.
    Just another bomb into the deniers camp who think sport is coming back soon:
    https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/04/10/sports-arent-coming-back-soon
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Scottish rugby declares season "null and void" with no champion and no pro/rel:

    https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk...otion-or-relegation-from-any-division-195348/

    Scottish football does the reverse and awards championships and pro/rel based on current standings:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/sports/coronavirus-scottish-premier-giro-ditalia.html

    But it looks like the Scottish Premier League will expand - maybe for one season? - to avoid relegation based on those standings:

    https://www.irishnews.com/sport/foo...-moves-a-step-closer-after-spfl-vote-1903879/
     
  16. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Yeah, I can see Liverpool signing up for that :rolleyes:
     
  17. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anything other than giving Liverpool the trophy would be an atrocity.
     
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  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some good points on pro/rel in the USA in the Q&A summary with the President of the USL.

    https://theathletic.com/1754998/202...-our-live-qa-with-usl-president-jake-edwards/

    Also, there's this:



    Then again, many will ignore this seeing as Mexico is not Europe.....
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty impressive list of current FC Dallas academy graduates:

    FC Dallas 2020 MLS roster
    Reggie Cannon
    Edwin Cerrillo
    Jesus Ferreira
    Jesse Gonzalez
    Eddie Munjoma
    Ricardo Pepi
    Paxton Pomykal
    Bryan Reynolds
    Thomas Roberts
    Dante Sealy
    Brandon Servania
    Tanner Tessmann

    Other Rosters
    Weston McKennie (Schalke 04)
    Chris Richards (Bayern Munich)
    Johan Gomez (Porto)
    Kellyn Acosta (Colorado Rapids)
    Christian Cappis (Hobro)
    *Brecc Evans (Austin Bold)
    Jonathan Gomez (Louisville City)
    Diego Letayf (Tigres)
    *Arturo Rodriguez (Real Monarchs)
    Richard Sanchez (Sporting KC)
    Victor Ulloa (Inter Miami)
    Alex Zendejas (Guadalajara)
    *On loan from North Texas SC (Dallas reserves)
     
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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There ya go @feyenoordsoccerfan , Bundesliga players are back in light training and a decision will be made about restarting the season on Thursday.
     
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  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ligue Un clubs PSG, Lyon and Nice looking into switching to the MLS calendar, starting in February 2021.

    This would work as there are no competing summer sports in France but it would mess up preparedness for the knockout stages of the Euro thingies.
     

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