The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. What are the financial effects for the clubs? The top 4 leagues in Europe are each hundreds of millions €€ losing because of the lockdown.
     
  2. By the way, thanks for the summery:thumbsup:
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    This summed up the immediate and near term financial situation really well, but I think it might be a little too optimistic about the future. It said sports were "recession proof" but I think it's extremely hard to predict what the long term economic fallout will be from this.

    Another thing that I thought it missed about the Mariners was that they've completely sucked for several years now. When combined with the considerations mentioned, that's a really bad place to be in for trying to get engagement back when the pandemic clears.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Notts have just received a $607,000 parachute payment from the Football League.
     
  5. owian

    owian Member+

    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure the Prem gets what it wants on every occasion it's a bit of a give and take. Yes the wealthy clubs and owners are going to have power but not the level of power that a few specific owners have in the Mexican league. You can argue it's just a matter of degrees and I'll say those degrees are pretty significant. Again could you imagine a world where the FA or the Premiere league would allow one team to buy another to maintain it's status? I can't.

    On EPPP specifically my understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong I am not an expert, was supposedly brought in at the request of the FA to create a pipeline for the "best" young players to be funneled into the "best" academies thus helping the national team.

    As for the cups that's got more to do with the world of Football changing, specifically the change from the European Cup to the Champions League. In 93/94 the League Cup was the 3rd most important competition and could quickly become the 2nd or the first for a large number of teams. England was just back into Europe, only the Champion of England got into the European Cup, and what 1 or 2 UEFA cup spots from the league? I believe the league cup qualified you for the UEFA cup as well at the time. So basically unless you were competing for the title or relegation the League cup was 2nd only to the FA cup This isn't just premier league clubs, the gap between the Premiere League and 1st division wasn't nearly as big as today. The League Cup mattered more, the FA Cup mattered more. Guess what to quote Renton from Trainspotting, "The World's Changing".

    And why we can argue about the positives and negatives of this new world, and I am not saying I agree with all of it, it's still fundamentally different.

    Again this would be like Man United trying to buy Leicester's spot in the Champions league after the 2015/16 season.

    I am not saying the wealthy clubs don't act in their self interest. I am saying it's not in the absolutely naked and I would argue corrupt, way that is currently done in the Mexican league (and this comes from someone who has watched more live Mexican league games than premier league by a factor of 5).
     
  6. owian

    owian Member+

    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also don't forget about the Revenue producing college sports of Football and Basketball. They had to cancel March Madness which the primary revenue generator for the NCAA. In addition individual conferences had to cancel their tournaments. Going to be 100's of millions in lost revenue. While the big football programs will survive it wouldn't shock me if this doesn't push a lot of mid majors to pair down their athletic departments, which usually means dumping football (american).
     
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  7. First sign of unraveling of the self appointed superclubs:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...risis-players-face-wage-cuts-coronavirus.html
    Barcelona's quarantined stars 'at war with the club's board' after REFUSING their plea to take a 70 per cent wage cut, as coronavirus decimates the season in a country where over 4,000 have now died
    • Barcelona are on the verge of a wage row during the coronavirus crisis
    • Spanish clubs are being asked to temporarily slash wages to secure futures
    • The standard cut rate is 70%, which Barca's playing squad has baulked at
    • President Josep Maria Bartomeu is looking to strike a more favourable deal
    • Barca will be harder hit by the crisis after spending badly in recent seasons
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I guess a lot of owners, and fans, are going to suffer the consequences of overspending. Timing wise my club is very lucky.
     
  9. Let's suppose the players refuse the request and the clubs, not only Barcelona is dancing bare footed on a hot tin roof, can't pay them. That's a catastrophy for the clubs as then the contracts of the players are void and they become transfer free.
    That will kill clubs without a loaded state treasure chest to dive in like PSG and ManCity.
    For the players it will be disastrous too as they can kiss paychecks this huge farewell.
    For clubs depending on selling players it's a disaster too, as transfer fees will take a dive like the Dow has done without a Fed to donate a trampoline.
     
  10. Corona reset?
    https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2020/03/30/5e81c9af46163f579b8b45ca.html
    Transfers will lose 28 per cent of their value
    Pogba's value set to drop to 35 million euros

    https://en.as.com/en/2020/03/30/football/1585563951_163078.html



    CORONAVIRUS

    Coronavirus: Football's transfer market values have plummeted
    CIES have published a study that says team values have dropped by a staggering amount with Manchester City, Real Madrid and Barcelona affected.
    Market value loss according to CIES
    Club Dropped value in euro % lost
    FC Barcelona -366 31.30%
    Liverpool -353 25.10%
    Real Madrid -350 31.80%
    Paris St-Germain -302 31.40%
     
  11. The difference between a true global sport and what it means to players to be in national teams
    https://en.as.com/en/2020/03/29/football/1585509058_173512.html?omnil=resscrlltit
    Di María no angel for Real Madrid
    Speaking to Podemos Hablar (Let’s speak) on Telefe the Argentine explained that he already knew what was in the letter, a law suit from the Spanish giants threatening him over playing in the 2014 World Cup final against Germany. Los Blancos wanted to prevent the player from getting injured, as Di María had taken a knock in an earlier match against Belgium.

    "I received a blow during the game against Belgium,” the player explained. “My foot was not right, but I wanted to play [in the final].

    “I didn’t care if I did not play football again. In fact, it was one of the things that they told me could happen, but for me it was the final of the World Cup. It was my final.

    "You are a little scared of everything".https://t.co/BeKUhHg5Ih

    — AS English (@English_AS) March 29, 2020

    Compare that to baseball superstars attitude towards playing for the USA.
     
  12. owian

    owian Member+

    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    What? That's like apples and avocado's. Completely and totally unfair. International baseball isn't a big thing, it never has been. It's always been about Major League Baseball and the world series. And trust me there are players who would risk their careers to pitch in game seven of the world series. Every year you hear stories of pitchers saying they're available on short rest knowing they are risking their next contract and their career, but not caring because this was "Their World Series". (look up Kerry Wood if you want example #1).

    This isn't a matter of being a "better person" or more patriotic this is all about what competition do you value.

    And for the record read Jamie Carragher's autobiography where he freely admits that Liverpool was much more important to him than England. Not sure anyone would accuse Carra of only being in it for the paycheck.
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The World Baseball Classic is played prior to the US pre-season. Players are not just out of form, they're also at risk of injury.

    For this reason both Japanese and American stars have skipped the tournament.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I am so disappointed to learn that there is no audiobook read by the author for this.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I mean, so is the World Cup Final to the Euro leagues.
     
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  16. owian

    owian Member+

    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would have to be in the foreign language section, #Scouse not English
     
  17. Exactly. That's why I posted the quoted part as an example that a Real Madrid player puts a national team match ahead of his club interests.
    You simply proved my point. Baseball players only's concern is their club performance and their risk of getting injured. It proves, it's not just baseball but also the other local sports, that none of those sports are a global sport with the stature of soccer, to put an achievement in the national team ahead of your interests as a player for a club.
     
  18. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And there's an additional reason.

    Major-league baseball players (and fans) know that the World Baseball Classic doesn't prove anything. Baseball is a game in which anything can happen in a single game, and the worst team in a league can beat the best team in the league in a one-game series. That's why the regular season in major-league baseball is 162 games, to give the breaks a chance to even out and let the quality teams rise to the top.

    The single-game knockout format of the concluding rounds of the World Baseball Classic renders it a meaningless competition, even worse than deciding a soccer game on penalty kicks.
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's played after the end of the most European domestic seasons allowing time for the cup competitions to finish and a couple of pre-tournament friendlies.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I was joking. Anything that comes in the off-season comes before pre-season what with the calendar being cyclical and all.
     
  21. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like Kevin Durant was going to play for Team USA even though he'd missed the entire NBA season with a torn achilles?

    But yes, try and compare a situation that exists in soccer that for all tense and purposes doesn't exist in other sports in order to prove a point about it.

    Good grief.
     
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  22. So he was using it as a means to prepare himself for the new season.
     
  23. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was risking his career by donning the Team USA jersey instead of continuing to rehab/rest his torn achilles as best he could before the next NBA season.

    You know, just like Di Maria chose to put the national team jersey back on after suffering a knock and chancing things
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Baseball is as much a global sport as cricket or rugby. There are 28 different nationalities in MLB.
     
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