The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    You're acting as if FIFA/UEFA will never waver on the SL. We've already moved from "any player playing in the Superleague would be banned from the World Cup" to "Infantino denies backing Superleague". The fact that he even met with the president of Real Madrid about it means that the powers that be don't discount it completely.
    And to be clear, I am not saying that there will ever be a superleague, I'm just saying that fans are not going to abandon the superclubs by joining one.
     
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  2. I'm talking about the difference of a huge country the States is, while the EU/Europe seem similar to a one federal state like the USA, but in fact is a collection of individual states that together project the illusion of one big state.
    If the superclubs as one should decide to pack up their things and cross the ocean to form the SL in the States, they can do so without a hitch, apart from green cards etc. and start it.
    They simply can't do that in Europe, as they have to deal with individual countries and on top of that with the EU and cross border issues between EU and non EU countries aka UK and try to solve that.

    And by the way, I want a dime for every US citizen who thinks Bruxelles is in the Netherlands.
     
  3. I'm talking about the legal issues that come with a SL, apart from the fact that UEFA is nothing more than a union of European FA's. It's not UEFA that dictates the FA's, but the FA's that dictate what UEFA can do.
    In may last year the Italians had a plan mastered to make the CL into a SL and Ceferin backed it and wanted to put it on the table to get it ready for 2024.
    It backfired and he hastily called it some ideas and had to bin the whole shit.
    https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/european-leagues-presents-post-2024-plans-for-club-competitions/
    https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/09/16/toegang-tot-de-champions-league-maar-hoe-lang-nog-a3973545
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49641315
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    You're talking small ball, man. In ten or fifteen years we'll all be living in vassal states to the brands.
     
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  5. The "fact" (is it?) that Real turns to Infantino is a clear sign it's not going well with the idea at all. (It wasnot the SL, but the new CL set up that was shot down, the reporters talk about) Infantino has shit to tell about what happens in Europe. As a matter of fact FIFA is for it's income stream dependant on the UEFA countries for I guess 70/80%. So the tail tries to wag the dog?
     
  6. Are you old enough to remember Big Blue having a laugh at those toys being called personal computers and that crummy software bunch from MS?
    And how these laughed at the internet upstarts?
    Brands are what they are until they run into a wall.
     
  7. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50788473
    It seems the Latin bunch in desperation turned to FIFA to make it a global SL.:ROFLMAO:
    Right.:D
    The FIFA ClubWC is a huge success, so let's expand on it:ROFLMAO:
    I say, let them move to the States, the birthground of closed leagues and see how they fare.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Wrong: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/real-madrid-florentino-perez-la-liga-fifa-uefa-super-league

    I have reported your insubordination to Lord Bezos and he will deal with you when the time permits.
     
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  10. It's the same thing as the shot down CL set up, with the twist that only the 5 big leagues participate.
    He's not for nothing going to Infantino, as this whole idea is even worse than what was shot down in terms of realisation viability.

    https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/real-madrid-florentino-perez-la-liga-fifa-uefa-super-league
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    You note the same lure is dangled with the doubling of the revenues?
    However he's only talking about the revenues in comparison to the CL, which means the clubs themselves still have to find resources to fill the loss of income from the participation in the leagues and most likely also in sponsor income.
    Sponsors pay clubs like Real big money for eyeballs, which come from the exposure of their league matches, CL matches. The CL has a global reach, which the SL has to proof it can match.

    Nobody has yet tackled the whole business of dealing with the EU.
    FIFA and UEFA cannot do shit and clubs like Real even less about what the EU already has formulated about soccer.
    FIFA and UEFA have in the past been forced already by the EU to change rules.
     
  11. Oh, by the way....
    A site called 4-4-2 is of course a second rate site.
    Come back with quotes from FourThreeThree;)
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Are you reading it at all?
    "The current proposal would see the formation of two 20-team leagues comprised of teams exclusively from England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France."

    But, regardless, you're still arguing about something very different than I am: I don't give a shit whether or not the top european team/leagues/whatever form their own league, the point is that if they were to do that (which they're not doing without being able to retain the level of players they currently have, so this would imply that something gave), they would have the same, or possibly even greater, following.
     
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  13. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yes I am! What's the point of a seasons worth of league football only to decide the 'Champion' by using a knockout football format! If at the end of this season Liverpool win the league by 17 points then lose to 6th place Crystal palace in a one off so Crystal Palace then claim to be the best team in England would turn the EPL into a mockery.
     
  14. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    If Chelsea were forced to participate in a European super league me and every other Chelsea supporter I know will never visit Stamford Bridge again. I would like to see how well this super league does with no supporters in the stadiums.
     
  15. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  16. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And there are plenty of Americans who say that not having playoffs makes a league a mockery, because a team can't be considered the best without proving they can beat the best head-to-head.
     
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  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well you're making a mockery of both codes of rugby, Gaelic football, hurling, aussie rules, ice hockey, basketball and all North American sports of course.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Napa Valley 1839 played the Members Cup this fall. They traveled to:
    Milwaukee - 2,100 miles
    Detroit - 2,300 miles
    Chattanooga - 2,400 miles
    New York City - 2,800 miles
    And every team traveled there, but they were the fully amateur team in the competition.

    Chattanooga FC also had three other matches when it was fully amateur where one team or the other traveled over 2,000 miles:
    2012 NPSL Championship Final vs FC Sonic in San Diego
    2014 NPSL Championship Semifinal - Sacramento Gold came to Chattanooga
    2016 NPSL Championship Semifinal - Sonoma County Sol came to Chattanooga.

    Every year's championship tournaments for NPSL, USL L2, and UPSL have similar situations, often multiple situations:
    2016's final had AFC Cleveland travel to Sonoma County
    2013 had a team from Allentown travel to Sonoma County, then Sonoma travel to Richmond, VA for the final
    2015 - CD Aguiluchos USA (from Oakland) traveled to NYC to play the Cosmos in the semifinal
    2017 - CD Aguiluchos USA traveled to New Haven, CT for the semifinals
    2018 - FCM Portland traveled to Morristown, NJ for the semifinals
    2019 - ASC San Diego traveled to NYC for the semifinals

    And this is just in the NPSL!

    So, while this is a touching and novel story for JS Saint-Pierroise, it's "just another season" for amateur teams in the US.
     
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  19. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one's going to force Chelsea into a superleague against its owners' wishes.

    If Chelsea ever decides to join a hypothetical superleague, it'll do so because its owners have made the calculation that such a league has greater financial benefits than the current status quo.

    A superleague isn't going to be some sort of tentative arrangement. If it ever happens, it'll be because its participants have done the math and decided that the media rights, sponsorship deals and other new income streams are a better deal than what they currently have. If that means losing some tens to thousands of current fans, so be it.
     
  20. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    So Wigan were better than Manchester City and should have been declared champions as the best team in England when the my beat them in the cup final (and got relegated) because they won the big 'head to head' game at the end of the season? See what I mean? A mockery. You may as well flip a coin!
     
  21. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    They're not going to do anything to the detriment of their supporters, how long will a super league last with no fans in a stadium? THE most important people at Stamford Bridge are still the paying public, the same can be said about any club in Europe.
     
  22. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are always people who will pay to come to a Chelsea game. Especially if Chelsea is playing Barcelona or some other super-club.

    Chelsea fans are like any other sports fans in the world. They’ll keep going to games if they’re having fun.

    That game wasn’t a playoff for the EPL championship. If Wigan beat Man City in an EPL championship game, they’d rightfully be considered the EPL champions.
     
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  23. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    #25473 Crawleybus, Jan 7, 2020
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    What difference does what you call the game make? It was one game that went the way of Wigan, play the game 20 times and City would likely win 19 of them! The point is you simply cannot base a championship or base which is the best team on one game. As a Chelsea fan (one that frequents Stamford Bridge and has done for many years) I can categorically say that if the club were to dare to try and withdraw from the English league we (match day paying customers) will f*ck off and watch our football elsewhere - what TV company will be interested in football with no fans in attendance? How long then will the club last? For the chairmen and the club in general it would be suicidal. Did you realise that Chelsea tickets for Premier League games are higher priced than they are for Champions League games, do you know why that is? You may think that playing Barcelona in some kind of Euro super league would be more 'attractive' to Chelsea supporters than playing West Ham but I can tell you you are mistaken if you do think that. I'm excited about the possibility of playing dirty Leeds next season, I don't have the same feelings about a possibility of playing Porto or Madrid, when you understand this then you will understand why a so called super league isn't going to work. I feel sure fans of other Euro clubs in other Euro countries feel the same way.
     
  24. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But it's not only a knockout competition. You have to qualify for the playoffs through the regular season, then win head to head against other teams that were good enough to qualify.

    Are you telling us the Champions League and the World Cup are mockeries?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    You're grossly overplaying your hand here if you think following Chelsea (of all effing clubs) automatically endows fans with this strict uncorruptible calling to uphold the purity of the sport.
     
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