The "all-encompassing" France National team WC 06 chat [R]

Discussion in 'France: National Teams' started by fishbiproduct, Oct 17, 2005.

  1. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
    Seeing that we do not have a sub-forum for our national
    team and that we'll eventually discuss its "issues",
    upcoming friendly games, etc, prior to the WC 2006,
    how about a single thread for this purpose?

    Friendly games PBP's could have their own thread,
    but this could be "general discussion".
    Does this *work*?


    We started talking about a possible game versus
    Costa-Rica, in Fort-de-France (Martinique) in the
    France-Cyprus thread (if you want to check that
    part). It would take place on November 9th,
    three days prior to an already scheduled game
    against Germany in Paris.
    Well, latest news is that it isn't a done-deal yet
    as it is still being negociated by the FFF. This game
    is Domenech's wish, but will it be granted?:

    "Foot - FRA-CRI : La FFF négocie encore

    La Fédération française a confirmé lundi soir qu'elle négocie actuellement avec son homologue costaricienne afin d'organiser un match amical contre le Costa Rica, le mercredi 9 novembre en Martinique. Mais rien est encore signé selon la FFF. Le choix de disputer une seconde rencontre en plus de France-Allemagne, le 12 novembre, correspond à un souhait de Raymond Domenech.

    La FFF explique qu'en cas de qualification directe des Bleus pour le Mondial, le sélectionneur voulait profiter de la trêve internationale (7-16 novembre) pour organiser un autre match amical , mais que «celui-ci ne pouvait pas être officialisé tant que la qualification n'était pas acquise.» Et «pour permettre aux joueurs (de) bénéficier d'une semaine entière de récupération et de préparation avant la reprise des championnats, la FFF a prévu de jouer ce second match le 9 novembre plutôt que le mercredi 16», précise-t-elle"

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/20051017_212946_01.html


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    Of course, not everybody would be happy about
    this, starting with (surprise, surprise) clubs.
    Today, Gérard Houiller expressed his opinion about this,
    calling it a "false-good idea" (there are many French
    internationals playing for Lyon):

    "Houiller contre un nouveau match


    Gérard Houllier, l'entraîneur lyonnais, a estimé lundi qu'organiser un match amical contre le Costa Rica, le 9 novembre en Martinique, serait une «une fausse bonne idée». «Le match est en cours de négociations, tout n'est pas encore réglé», a indiqué de son côté la FFF après l'annonce de la tenue de cette rencontre sur le site de la Fédération costaricaine dimanche.

    Malgré tout, Gérard Houiller met la pression : «J'ai déjà été sélectionneur et je mesure les difficultés de Raymond Domenech à préparer une Coupe du monde, mais je pense qu'il a tout intérêt à travailler en collaboration étroite avec les clubs pourvoyeurs d'internationaux comme l'OL.», etc"

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/20051017_173603_01.html
     
  2. Nanbawan

    Nanbawan Member

    Jun 11, 2004
    Haute Bretagne
    Club:
    Stade Rennais FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Maybe he could use a B-squad with lots of players he wants to check.
     
  3. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
    Yep, there's always that, Nanbawan. On the other hand,
    bit of a pity we don't seem to have a "settled" team
    by now, and that's how I'd think these friendlies
    could be usefull: to "finalize" a team.

    Different subject now: obviously, I don't watch
    French telly here and hardly follow the French press.
    But I caught part of an interview with Zidane yesterday
    morning (RMC) where he was basically asking the press
    to "leave them alone" (players on the team). So I checked
    and seems like questions are being asked such as
    "why weren't smilling after the game" (Cyprus), "why
    didn't they stay on the field", "what's the problem
    with this team", etc etc , the usual (unfortunately)
    press crap.
    I found this video on Eurosport.fr, "Les Bleus en
    questions":
    http://www.eurosport.fr/home/pages/v4/l3/s22/playermultimedia_lng3_rub9_spo22_ven21917.shtml
    What a crock of sheet...

    Why do I get the feeling that they (the press) are
    trying so hard to screw everything up? Don't you
    think so? Seems to me a lot of people are asking
    questions they have no business asking, although
    I understand the "nature of the beast"...
    Also, Platini for instance, and I had great respect for
    him as a player, why is he putting his nose into this?
    Shouldn't he just step back a bit and let things play
    out the way they'll play out. I think what he is doing is
    counter-productive...
     
  4. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member+

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    We have many players from Caribbean descent. Thierry Henry told already several times that he always dreamed to play with the blue jersey in Martinique. I always think that it would have been great to see France playing once, at home, in the Carribbeans.

    Actually, I'm sure that many players of the A-team would make the trip to Martinique, not because they would have to, but because they want to. However, it's less sure they will play the game against Germany.

    Anyway, if there would be a game to postpone between Costa Rica and Germany, I would like it better if it would be Germany. There's no rush to play the Germans so soon, it could wait the winter break. But anyway, I'm sure for players to handle both games at 4 days of difference. It's simply that few will play both games, but that's only about friendlies. It's not so bad.
     
  5. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member+

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    The problem is that footie critics are like any other critics. They are frustrated players who never succeed to do anything, and to look smart they look down at those who succeeded. It's the same in cinema, litterature, theatre, anywhere.

    The worst in that kind of style is the guy from 100% Foot. A new show I've seen once on TV last week (it was with Bernard Lama then). There were two critics in the show, one who came from "On refait le match" on LCI and the other being the one I don't like. The guy from LCI was at least a bit smart in his wonderings, the other dude was just as insightful as the guy I always meet at the bar when I buy my ciggies.

    I agree with you. It starts to piss me off to hear only bad things about the French team. I think it's fine to criticize as long as it's constructive but I hear too many comments on the media which are made only for the pleasure to trash the team and which aren't constructive at all.

    However, the little video you've posted still asks some good questions. Which players among the 34 Domenech has used in order to qualify will play the World Cup ? Why isn't there any "gaucher" (don't know how to say it in english) in the French team ?

    The wonderings about the number of players existed already at the time of Jacquet beforce the WC 98. He had a problem to chose his 22 players...

    I agree with you that it would be good to finally get the 11 starting players... and that they need to get used to play together. However, that's always a problem with national teams, and it's not 1 friendly every two monthes which will make a team. It helps, that's sure, but the 3 weeks just before the World Cup are also very important.

    We can still see several players who'll most likely be in the 11 major... but it's true it remains many uncertainties. I hope someone like Ludo will be part of it, but knowing how few Domenech used it in the qualifiers, I have strong doubts on this :(. But I still can't see him staying at home during the World Cup.
     
  6. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    hey, he's used something like 34 starters so far. that's enough. it's time to start molding what he's already got, not add to the pile!
     
  7. sl7vk

    sl7vk Member

    Mar 3, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    AS Nancy Lorraine
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    If Boumsong is starting in the center of defense in 2006 I will be sick.
     
  8. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    take a deep breath and repeat after me...abidal's back... abidal's back...
     
  9. sl7vk

    sl7vk Member

    Mar 3, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    AS Nancy Lorraine
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Yes I understand that, but don't forget who is managing the club! If healthy the line looks
    Sagnol---Thuram----Gallas---Abidal
    But if Abidal gets hurt? Or Thuram?
     
  10. Pierre-Henri

    Pierre-Henri New Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Strasbourg, France.
    Well, bitchin' about everything and everyone is what we do the best. I guess you need a french soul to understand.

    What's really puzzling me in this story is that the federation is doing exactly the same mistakes than in 2002. French team came in Japan completely exhausted, having played an hellish preparation race. After 98, team France became some sort of flying circus, playing here and there (Korea, Australia), with no time to rest or to train together.

    I really thought someone in the Federation possessed a brain large enough to compute this simple information : players get tired when they play too much, and jetlag is not good for their performance. But no. I guess they are sponsored by Air France, or Adidas wants to increase its shares in South/Central America.
     
  11. lefutur

    lefutur Member+

    Sep 2, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY US
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    So as of now they have 3 friendlies scheduled between now and the WC?

    I think I heard that England will be playing 4.

    I dont know if playing 2 games in quick succession is necesarily a bad idea. The results dont matter and if they lose against Germany then at least they have a good excuse. :D
     
  12. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member+

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    You can't compare 30 hours of flight to reach Australia with 8 hours to reach Martinique. It's not the same. I agree though that it's nearly impossible to play 2 games so close than France-Costa Rica and France-Germany. But I hope the Federation won't get rid of that game played in Martinique. Many players want to play in Martinique, and I can understand them.
     
  13. Nanbawan

    Nanbawan Member

    Jun 11, 2004
    Haute Bretagne
    Club:
    Stade Rennais FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Yeah, but even for a French soul, it gets tiring. Every TV or radio station news open with "la polémique du jour", should it be a legit one or not. I'm fed up with that sh...
     
  14. sl7vk

    sl7vk Member

    Mar 3, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    AS Nancy Lorraine
    Nat'l Team:
    France
  15. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member+

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Donc on est devenu meilleur que les mexicains parce qu'on a battu Chypre à la maison et qu'ils ont perdu à l'extérieur contre Trinité & Tobago alors qu'ils étaient déjà qualifiés ? :eek:

    Quand je pense qu'ils veulent utiliser ce classement de la FIFA pour déterminer les têtes de série à la Coupe du Monde... [​IMG]
     
  16. Nanbawan

    Nanbawan Member

    Jun 11, 2004
    Haute Bretagne
    Club:
    Stade Rennais FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
  17. MicFW

    MicFW Member

    Jun 25, 2005
    Club:
    FC Köln
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    A bit late I admit, but anyway: Congratulations for qualifying!
    It would have been a strange World Cup in Germany with our French neighbours missing.
     
  18. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Bon jour!

    what do you guys think about this game? Is it 100% official?
    what players are expecting to play?

    I am from CR and everybody here is very excited to play one of the top teams of the world, i hope our countries play that game
    BTW you are welcome to visit the game thread in the concacaf forum https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256560&page=1&pp=30
     
  19. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    another question..... what french players have caribbean roots?
     
  20. AllezParisAllezPSG

    AllezParisAllezPSG New Member

    Sep 3, 2005
    Manhattan, NY
    the game is official, on nov 9th... in any case, i know that thuram is from the antilles (i believe guadeloupe) but thats it... malouda is from french guyane which is right by and this considered the antilles basically...

    i think this game is great... we don't thank the antilles enough for what they do for france in general and this game is just a great way to thank them for giving us players like thuram and malouda... but its also just a great way to thank them for being good citizens and after all, they do deserve a real good soccer game on their island... costa rica is a good game as well but this game is more important than soccer... its just to enjoy watching great players play... allez les bleus!
     
  21. jambon-beurre

    jambon-beurre Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    France
    From what I remember :

    Henry
    Thuram
    Gallas
    Wiltord
    but I forget some of them (maybe Abidal ...)

    There's also Marius Tresor, Gerard Janvion, etc ... who played for France in the past. And Malouda is from Guyanne (like Bernard Lama, the goalkeeper), so he is not strictly "carribean" but you can count him in too.
     
  22. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Lama was great, i do remember him with the nat'l team.
     
  23. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    If we win we'll surprise the world, i know it's just a friendly game, but everybody is expecting an easy French win, i hope we don't lose...
    allez les rouges!!! allez les ticos!!
     
  24. jambon-beurre

    jambon-beurre Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    France
    Very good ;) People usually forget if it's "le", "la" or "les" ...
     
  25. Nanbawan

    Nanbawan Member

    Jun 11, 2004
    Haute Bretagne
    Club:
    Stade Rennais FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Hmm, given the context, you may have your chances. Can someone send the tape of the US-CR match to Domenech, please... ;)
     

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