The 2023 U-17 Player Pool Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by David Kerr, Dec 24, 2020.

  1. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    If the outside backs aren't providing much going forward, I don't think you can expect much from a midfield of Taha/Soma/Corcoran -- I don't think it's dynamic or creative enough, so you need someone like Medina centrally -- maybe Morales will be that player (or maybe Olney should be) -- to create.

    I haven't bought into Corcoran's hype, and I haven't seen very much from of Soma, but they are two players that I see something in, and Habroune is in the same boat. I don't expect a lot out of those three, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or maybe two turn out to be really good players.
     
  2. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    I think Habroune is a little underrated right now. He was far more productive than Medina in the same league (albeit on a better team) and of course was a breath of fresh air in qualifying. To me he’s actually a guy who could break into the 2025 U20s if things go right (both for him and the guys who might play their way out of teams letting them go). He’s really dynamic and does so many things well. He’s got a much higher floor right now than most of the midfield options.

    He’s also not officially a Crew HG (though maybe there’s a quiet deal) and turns 18 in February. I think this will be a big tournament for him.
     
  3. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The majority of second team deals YNT caliber players are signing lately at clubs are hybrid contracts that turn into first team deals. I’d expect Taha’s to be one of those as well
     
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  4. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I don't know about others, but I do think the general sense is that this team is going to struggle to advance, but it has a better chance than it did a month ago when it looked utterly hopeless. There's some talent, but the draw was not kind, all three opponents are either very good (France and Burkina Faso) regionally at worst, or traditionally pretty damn good (South Korea). You never know how CAF is going to perform, or AFC sides for that matter, but to get a side that looked damn good in CAF qualifying, and one of the 3-4 best international sides in the world, including at youth levels, the past decade, plus a traditionally solid South Korea, it looks like its gonna be more 2015, 2019 than 2017.
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. Michael_SD

    Michael_SD Member

    United States
    Mar 3, 2022
    We can almost guarantee that Boudry will start the first game at keeper, because Ferree's red card at the Gold Cup. From there, it will be interesting if they rotate or if one of them will be the clear #1.
     
  7. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    That’s a good call. I forgot about that. Didn’t realize it carries over.
     
  8. Campeones123

    Campeones123 Member

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Sep 2, 2021
    Team tied Poland 2-2 in a friendly this morning.

    Starting XI: Beaudry, Harangi, Hall, Banks, Reid-Brown, Soma, Habroune, Medina, Vasquez, Berchimas, Figeroua

    Subs came in after 2-2 score line around 60th minute.
     
  9. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Banks for Hawkins is a positive change. I would’ve kept Hawkins in the lineup and had Hall on the bench, but Banks in the lineup is a major positive.
     
  10. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Good sign that Figueroa is healthy enough to start and go at least 60.
     
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  11. Michael_SD

    Michael_SD Member

    United States
    Mar 3, 2022

    Do you have info regarding friendly versus Canada?
     
  12. Michael_SD

    Michael_SD Member

    United States
    Mar 3, 2022
    I guess they beat Canada 3-2
     
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  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    To the extent that I'll be able to wake up and watch these games, I definitely want to see how he does. My super-superficial takeaway at qualifying was that he seemed to have tons of the right ideas and was like, I dunno, a quarter- or two-fifths or some weird amount, less than a half-step, slow executing them, and if he hadn't been, he'd have been covered in roses after that tournament. If he can show that he's moving in the right direction (which you'd hope he would be after another season) he could take a big step forward here.
     
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  14. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    Also worth nothing he spent the whole season in MLS Next Pro, a much higher level than MLS Next, and was peaking at the end of the season. Looked really good in the final.

    I think he’s going to show just how much his game has leveled up. Between him and Soma I think this midfield has the chance to be excellent.
     
  15. Dough Boy

    Dough Boy Member

    Sep 27, 2014
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kochen
     
  17. ChicagoFutbol

    ChicagoFutbol Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Feb 26, 2020
    I see this issue currently playing out in midfield regardless of which 3 combo. A lot of youth holding mids that are held to be such great prospects do not pass the test when they are pressured by a good team in a high press, like France. Too often in average games they have all the time in the world to make decisions to turn. Conversely, attacking mids constantly in development have defenders up their backs. Sure, errors occur more often as a result of "learning" to take risk. I don’t see this realization being made enough by youth scouts in talent assessment. Learning when to play forward, and be direct on counters with pressure is extremely difficult. This current midfield needs attacking minded players, that also have high defensive work rates. Scouting needs to bring in more 10s and less 6s. The hard working 10s can also play 6. It doesn't work the other way.
     
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  18. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    The best 6's have a certain amount of 8 in them. Which is part of the reason I think Soma and Vargas are good prospects. Soma is an 8 for his club team.
     
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  19. ChicagoFutbol

    ChicagoFutbol Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Feb 26, 2020
    Agreed, ergo Mousah and McKennie. Both played higher up pitch in younger years to develop skill set.
     
  20. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    It's easier to make 6 out of a FB than from 8. And Soma is a poor 6 btw. Want to see him as 8. Neither is Vargas a decent 6.
     
  21. ChicagoFutbol

    ChicagoFutbol Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Feb 26, 2020
    Until US Scouting realizes and prioritizes physicality in a player’s profile we will be second rate. That’s not to say pick the “biggest fastest” kids. Berchimas has incredible physicality at 100lbs soaking wet. His athleticism and work rate mentality make him a physical player! Banks has the traditional physicality. Both are great prospects!

    Technical competence and tactical Iq also very important but Physicality is often missing in selection. Pendulum swung too far other way.
     
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  22. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    One player who has not been mentioned as one to watch for the future is Stuart Hawkins. He definitely has holes in his game but he has the long lean body type that might project forward. He also moves well.
     
  23. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t think Stuart Hawkins will blossom into a raise the usmnt RCB position level player, but I think he’s very well rounded for his age and I expect him to have a very solid pro career. Just not a ton of upside in his game that national team level prospects need to break into more established player pools. If I’m Seattle I’m very optimistic about his potential and hopeful he becomes a solid piece for them long term
     
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  24. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Parkhurst v 2
     
  25. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    So many miss this point. It's very important. If you look at the top 20 club teams in the world and hope our players are good enough to play for them eventually, there's just not a ton of guys that are like 5'7 and slow for an attacker or like 5'11 and slow for a defender. The ones that are that and are on those teams are like Xavi type talents that are legitimately world class (not just good or very good) in technical/tactical aspects.

    It's very hard to make it at a high level and be a bad athlete. It's not a fair game. Some just don't got what it takes in that regard to make it.
     
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