The 2017 MLS TV Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by KCbus, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goal.com's Seth Vertelney got his hands on a summary of the 2017 regular season rating(s) across the three broadcast partners. Here are the key bullet points:
    • ESPN: Viewership on ESPN and ESPN2 combined was slightly down in 2017. MLS matches on ESPN and ESPN2 averaged 272,000 viewers in 2017, compared to 274,000 in 2016.
    • Fox: Fox and Fox Sports 1 combined to average a five percent increase in viewership in 2017 (236,000 average viewers in 2017 versus 224,000 in 2016).
    • Univision: The league’s Spanish-language partner showed a five percent growth on numbers from matches on Univision and UniMas combined (265,000 in 2017 versus 252,000 in 2016).
    • Overall, the 2017 MLS regular season delivered 26.3 million gross viewers across all U.S. networks, up four percent versus 2016.
    Here's the URL if you want to check out the full article (which goes into a little detail about how MLS ratings fit into the broader sports broadcast landscape).
     
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  2. s1xoburn

    s1xoburn Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    This is a nice link, thanks. Does anyone else have a link to numbers published in 2016 which match those? I want to compare 2016 to 2015 and get a better trend, but I can't seem to find anything which has the same 2016 numbers.

    If we could get 5-10% growth going forward (maybe more spending will help?) it would really help the next round of contract negotiations, especially if other sports leagues are seeing 5-10% declines.
     
  3. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I posted this earlier in the thread:

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    The table doesn't contain Univision numbers, but it'll at least give you a sense of what the landscape has looked like since 2009 on the English-language networks. It's also hard to get the gross numbers.

    Anyway, if you really want to dive in to historical data we've compiled, there are more detailed breakdowns of year-to-year ratings in the past year versions of this thread we've maintained on this site. You can access earlier season data using the link in the first post of this thread (and the first post in each subsequent year's thread).
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In an era where ratings decline every year on average, that's nothing to sneeze at (most scripted television is happy if their season premier gets demo ratings equal to the prior year's season finale and know it will drop off after that).
     
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  5. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    I don't follow this thread very closely, so this may already be common knowledge, but do the above numbers include streaming viewership?
     
  6. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Common question, but, no, none of those numbers include streaming viewership.
     
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  7. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    In that case, it suggests that non-stadium MLS viewership is likely increasing overall, presumably among key demographics especially. That's promising.
     
  9. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two notable things. For the current size of the league the TV market seems to have stablized the last 3 yrs; no more of ratings numbers going up and down by 15-25% each year like you saw from 09-14. Secondly the growth of the secondary broadcast network has been good for the league and has helped the league get seen by more eyeballs. These developments are good things for broadcasters and future TV deals; as steady numbers show a established market for MLS teams. Ratings will assuredly increase incrementally with each expanded market being brought into the fold. If Fox TV numbers can continually traject to ESPN numbers that bolds well for a possible 50-50 split in the next TV deal between ESPN and FOX. Currently ESPN pays 45 mil to FOX 30 mil. while Univision pays only 15 million. The next big growth domestically in TV revenue is getting all three US broadcast partners paying a similar share for each new TV deal.
     
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  10. s1xoburn

    s1xoburn Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    This table is very good and thanks for posting it, but the numbers don't match up. If you put the 2016 numbers for 2016 in the new numbers, it is a ratings decline. :-(
     
  11. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a common issue with Nielsen numbers. They're corrected and amended (often) several times subsequent to the posting of initial numbers. We also never get a complete set of single data points to verify things on our own.

    I'm not going to pretend to know which ones are accurate. I'm assuming the ones Seth Vertelney got are the most accurate for 2016 figures, but it's hard to know for sure.
     
  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While the primary tv ratings have been flat, the secondary English ratings have shows a good improvement (from a low base).
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Before primary English (NBC) and Spanish paid about 8-12 million per year.

    The last TV deal saw the English rights go much higher.

    Probably due to competitive bids.

    Univision is king and Lord in Spanish language tv. They can bid the most and probably nobody is willing to pay more than they do.

    Now NBC/Telemundo may make a run, but I would not bet on it.

    BeInsports ñ may bid, but their distribution is much smaller than Univision over the air or UDN.
     
  14. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This article is behind a paywall (and, unfortunately, I no longer have a subscription), but some subscribers are saying the following piece of information was included:

    Per ESPN's Senior VP of programming, MLS broadcasts saw an 18% increase for "out of home viewing" (on top of the standard Nielsen ratings). Apparently, ESPN has generally seen a 7% up-tick on "out of home viewing" annually for all its sports programming, so MLS is likely out-performing in that sphere.

    LINK: https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2017/11/20/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/MLS.aspx
     
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  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure what game.

     
  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Columbus vs Toronto was on ESPN.
     
  18. whiteonrice04

    whiteonrice04 Member+

    Sep 8, 2006
    Not on Saturday night
     
  19. BalanceUT

    BalanceUT RSL and THFC!

    Oct 8, 2006
    Appalachia
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably mistyped the tweet and intended to say 'last night'. Last and sat share 3 letters in different order. An easy typo to make.
     
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  20. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well it's Kartik, so you can't give him that much credit.
     
  21. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Columbus has been getting the highest ratings of this playoff season...
     
  22. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #598 Fiosfan, Nov 27, 2017
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  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USOC can't possibly what we think of when we see those initials (US Open Cup.) Any idea what it DOES mean?
     

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