The 2013 Table - Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Fishy Figures [R]

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  1. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
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    I could probably kick that out pretty quickly once I get my database set up. I pulled all the data from the MLS schedule pages and have it set up to put into a MySQL database, but I kind of forgot about it after loading the 1996 data and realizing that the shootout era data is incomplete because you can't tell which 1-goal games are shootout wins and which ones are regulation wins. I also did this prior to the end of this regular season, so I'm missing results from 2013. I'll probably get back on that project tonight.
     
  2. henryo

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    Jun 26, 2007
    Alternate Sources:

    From 2013: http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/league/matchesAll.php?stageId=1547

    ...

    To 1996: http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/league/matchesAll.php?stageId=1232
     
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  3. GreatGonzo

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    #928 GreatGonzo, Nov 8, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2013
    Record against playoff teams, 2013 edition (bold teams still remaining):

    Team GP W T L Pts PPG
    NYR 16 9 4 3 31 1.94
    MTL 16 9 0 7 27 1.69
    POR 17 7 7 3 28 1.65
    SJQ 20 9 4 7 31 1.55
    COL 17 7 5 5 26 1.53
    SKC 15 6 3 6 21 1.40
    VAN 20 7 5 8 26 1.30
    RSL 17 6 4 7 22 1.29
    LAG 17 6 3 8 21 1.24
    FCD 20 6 6 8 24 1.20
    CHI 19 5 6 8 21 1.11
    SEA 17 4 6 7 18 1.06
    NER 15 3 6 6 15 1.00
    HOU 17 4 4 9 16 0.94
    CLB 20 5 3 12 18 0.90
    PHI 19 4 5 10 17 0.89
    TFC 19 3 6 10 15 0.79
    DCU 19 2 5 12 11 0.58
    CHV 20 1 5 14 8 0.40


    Just to quick explain the difference in GP - West teams played each other 3x, and each team from the East 1x. So West playoff teams had 3x4 (because they can't play themselves) + 5 (from East) = 17, West non-playoff teams have 20. East is a bit more complicated. East played 7 teams in-conference 3x, 2 teams 2x. Taking SKC for example, both of their 2x teams must have been playoff teams. 5 (West) + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 = 15. Houston must have played all the other East teams three times (5 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 17). Got it? Good! It'll be on the test.

    Well, if wanted further proof that DC, TFC, and Chivas were terrible teams, there you have it. Interestingly, Montreal did really well against the other playoff teams. In their last 8 games, when they went 1-1-6, they only played three playoff teams (and lost to all three). Again, more proof that San Jose kind of was hard done by, and Seattle probably wasn't as good as their record showed.

    But Houston... what the hell happened there? That's a pathetic record, and yet they're in the Conference Final. 16 points against other playoff teams, 35 points against non-playoff teams. Which leads to this:

    Record against non-playoff teams, 2013 edition:
    Team GP W T L Pts PPG
    HOU 17 10 5 2 35 2.06
    SEA 17 11 1 5 34 2.00
    RSL 17 10 4 3 34 2.00
    SKC 19 11 4 4 37 1.95
    PHI 15 8 5 2 29 1.93
    NER 19 11 3 5 36 1.89
    LAG 17 9 5 3 32 1.88
    CHI 15 9 1 5 28 1.87
    POR 17 7 8 2 29 1.71
    CLB 14 7 2 5 23 1.64
    VAN 14 6 4 4 22 1.57
    NYR 18 8 4 6 28 1.56
    COL 17 7 4 6 25 1.47
    SJQ 14 5 5 4 20 1.43
    FCD 14 5 5 4 20 1.43
    CHV 14 5 3 6 18 1.29
    MTL 18 5 7 6 22 1.22
    TFC 15 3 5 7 14 0.93
    DCU 15 1 2 12 5 0.33


    That's quite the turn-around for Houston. 3 wins against DC certainly helped on that front. Seattle and New England feasted on the bad teams, and my dear Rapids didn't particularly care whether or not you were good or bad, they were going to get 1.5 PPG no matter what.

    And then there's DC United. Oh, @Knave...
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

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    We were nothing if not consistent.
     
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  5. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    @GreatGonzo beat me to the punch, but since I'd already compiled everything, and just hadn't gotten around to posting it, I figured I'd put my own version up here too ...

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    @GreatGonzo already discussed Houston, so I'll make a point about SJE. Against playoff teams, SJE was 4th best in the league. Problem is, against lesser competition they were terrible. But that does make you wonder how they might have done had they made the playoffs. After all, if instead of the 10 playoff teams, you took the actual top 10 teams overall in the league, SJE would be in that group. Something similar can be said about MTL, except their problem was that they fell apart late in the season.

    In any event, this is my absolute favorite table in this thread. Why? Because it's the only one in which DCU doesn't occupy last place. Our crappy games against TFC and CHV were thrown out, but our wins against MTL and RSL remained.
     
  6. Golazo

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    Apr 15, 1999
    Decatur, GA USA
    I love that in the sorted by PPG and *PPG difference table, MTL comes out on top, HOU is last, they each played a playoff team in the first round, and -0.56 difference against playoff teams dismantled 0.25 difference against playoff teams.
     
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  7. BalanceUT

    BalanceUT RSL and THFC!

    Oct 8, 2006
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    I wonder if closing the season form isn't very important. It seems to me that RSL's performance closing out the season has been generally predictive of subsequent playoff performance. I wonder if that holds true of other teams?
     
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  8. henryo

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    #933 henryo, Nov 12, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2013
    Interesting Question!!

    The Last 5 Games of Eventual MLS Cup Finalists & the Season Outcome of the Best/Worst "Last-5" Teams, as extracted from MLS official site:

    Season Winners Last-5 Runners-Up Last-5 Best "Last-5" Team Last-5 Season
    Outcome
    Worst "Last-5" Team Last 5 Season
    Outcome
    Remarks
    1996 D.C. W-L-L-W-W L.A. L-L-W-W-W T.B. W-W-W-W-W Won the SS, Lost Conf. Final
    COL. L-L-L-L-L Missed Playoffs: Won Wooden Spoon http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/1996
    1997 D.C. W-W-L-W-L COL. L-L-L-L-W L.A. W-W-W-W-W Lost Conf. Semis
    COL. L-L-L-L-W Lost Cup Final http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/1997
    1998 CHI. L-W-W-W-L D.C. W-W-L-W-L T.B.,

    COL.
    T.B. (W-W-L-W-W),

    COL. (W-L-W-W-W)
    T.B. (Missed Playoffs),

    COL. (Lost Conf. Semis)
    N.Y. L-L-L-L-L Lost Conf. Semis http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/1998
    1999 D.C. W-W-W-W-L L.A. L-L-W-L-W D.C.,

    DAL,

    S.J.,
    D.C. (W-W-W-W-L),

    DAL. (L-W-W-W-W),

    S.J. (L-W-W-W-W)
    D.C. (Won SS & MLS Cup),

    DAL. (Lost Conf. Final),

    S.J. (Missed Playoffs)
    COL,

    K.C.
    COL. (L-W-L-L-L),

    K.C. (W-L-L-L-L)
    COL. (Lost Conf. Semis),

    K.C. (Missed Playoffs: Last in the West)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/1999
    2000 K.C. T-T-W-W-T CHI. T-W-W-W-W CHI. T-W-W-W-W Topped the Central Div, Lost Cup Final
    CLB. L-L-L-L-L Missed Playoffs http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2000
    2001 S.J. T-L-W-W-L L.A. W-W-L-W-W CHI. W-W-W-W-T Topped the Central Div, Lost Conf. Final
    COL.,

    T.B.
    COL. (L-T-L-L-L),

    T.B. (T-L-L-L-L)
    COL. (Missed Playoffs: Last in the West),

    T.B. (Missed Playoffs: Won Wooden Spoon)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2001
    2002 L.A. L-W-W-W-W N.E. W-T-W-W-W N.E. W-T-W-W-W Topped the East, Lost Cup Final S.J.,

    CHI.,

    N.Y.
    S.J. (L-L-W-L-L),

    CHI. (L-L-L-L-W),

    N.Y. (L-W-L-L-L)

    S.J. (SS Runners-up, Lost Conf. Semis),

    CHI (Lost Conf. Semis),

    N.Y. (Missed Playoffs)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2002
    2003 S.J. W-L-T-L-T CHI. T-W-W-W-L N.E. W-W-W-W-W Lost Conf. Final COL. T-L-T-L-L Lost Conf. Semis http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2003
    2004 D.C. W-L-W-W-W K.C. W-W-T-T-W D.C. W-L-W-W-W Won MLS Cup N.Y.,

    S.J.,

    DAL.,

    CHI
    N.Y. (L-W-L-T-L),

    S.J. (L-T-T-T-T),

    DAL. (W-L-L-L-T),

    CHI (L-W-T-L-L)
    N.Y. (Lost Conf. Semis),

    S.J. (Lost Conf. Semis),

    DAL. (Missed Playoffs: Last in the West),

    CHI. (Missed Playoffs: Last in the East)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2004
    2005 L.A. T-L-W-W-L N.E. T-W-L-T-W S.J.,

    COL.
    S.J. (W-T-W-T-W),

    COL. (W-W-T-T-W)
    S.J. (Won the SS, Lost Conf. Semis),

    COL. (Lost in Conf. Final)
    RSL. L-L-L-T-L Misssed Playoffs http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2005
    2006 HOU. T-T-W-T-T N.E. W-T-W-W-W N.E. W-T-W-W-W Lost MLS Cup Final D.C.,

    COL.
    D.C. (L-W-L-L-L),

    COL. (T-L-L-T-T)
    D.C. (Won the SS, Lost Conf. Final),

    COL. (Lost Conf Final)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2006
    2007 HOU. W-W-L-W-T N.E. T-W-L-L-T HOU.,

    L.A.
    HOU (W-W-L-W-T),

    L.A. (W-W-W-T-L)
    HOU (Won MLS Cup),

    L.A. (Missed Playoffs)
    DAL.,

    K.C.,

    TOR.
    DAL. (L-L-W-T-L),

    K.C. (L-L-T-L-W),

    TOR. (L-W-L-L-T)
    DAL. (Lost Conf. Semis),

    K.C. (Lost Conf. Final),

    TOR. (Missed Playoffs: Won Wooden Spoon)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2007
    2008 CLB. W-W-T-L-W N.Y. L-L-T-W-L HOU. W-T-W-W-T Topped the West, Lost in Conf. Semis N.E. L-T-L-L-L Lost in Conf. Semis http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2008
    2009 RSL. L-L-W-L-W L.A. W-L-W-T-W DAL. W-W-W-W-L Missed Playoffs COL.,

    K.C.
    COL.(T-T-T-L-L),

    K.C.(T-T-L-L-T)
    COL.(Missed Playoffs),

    K.C.(Missed Playoffs)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2009
    2010 COL. W-L-T-W-T DAL. W-W-T-L-L SEA. W-W-W-W-L Lost Conf. Semis CHV. L-W-L-L-L Missed Playoffs: Last in the West http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2010
    2011 L.A. W-W-L-W-L HOU. W-W-T-W-W HOU. W-W-T-W-W Lost Cup Final D.C.,

    N.E.
    D.C. (L-L-L-T-L),

    N.E.(L-L-L-L-T)
    D.C. (Missed Playoffs),

    N.E.(Missed Playoffs: Last in the East)
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/standings/2011
    2012 L.A. 2W-1L-2T HOU. 2W-2L-1T RSL.,

    D.C.
    RSL. (3W-0L-2T),

    D.C. (3W-0L-2T)
    RSL. (Lost Conf. Semis),

    D.C. (Lost Conf. Final)
    TOR. 0W-4L-1T Missed Playoffs: Won Wooden Spoon http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/league/table.php?stageId=1312&matches=0&rounds=2&roundCount=5
    2013 TBD. TBD TBD TBD S.J. 4W-0L-1T Missed Playoffs CHV. 0W-5L-0T Missed Playoffs: Last in the West
    http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/league/table.php?stageId=1547&matches=0&rounds=2&roundCount=5


    Quick Observations:


    MLS Cup Winners:

    1. No MLS Cup Winners have ever won the Last-5 games in their regular season, the Best being 2002 L.A., who won their Last-4.

    2. The Worst "Last-5" Finish by MLS Cup Winners belongs to 2009 RSL, with 2W-3L-0T. However, the least number of wins were "achieved" by 2006 Houston with 1W-0L-4T.

    3. Otherwise, MLS Cup Winners typically win at least 2 of their Last-5 games to close out the regular season.​

    MLS Cup Runners-up:

    4. Similarly, no MLS Cup Runners-up won their Last-5 either, the Best being 2000 Chicago, who won their Last-4.

    5. The Worst "Last-5" Finish by MLS Cup Runners-up belongs to 1997 Colorado, with 1W-4L (all in regulation). The next worst would be by 2008 N.Y. (1W-3L-1T) & 2007 N.E. (1W-2L-2T).

    6. Otherwise, like the Winners, MLS Cup Runners-up minimally win 2 of their Last-5 games too.​

    Best "Last-5" Teams:

    7. The Best "Last-5" record belongs to 1997 L.A., who in fact won their last 6 games all in regulation (that would be for @Hachiko). The next best would be 1996 Tampa Bay with 5 wins (incl. 1 by SO).

    8. Surprisingly, only in 3 out of 18 seasons did such teams won the MLS Cups eventually (1999/2004 D.C & 2007 Houston).

    9. All others have lost in various rounds of playoffs. 5 teams even managed to miss the playoffs despite strong finishes, the best team missing-out being 2013 S.J., with 4W-0L-1T in Last-5 (unbeaten in Last-7 in fact, a league record).​

    Worst "Last-5" Teams:

    10. The worst record was 5-straight losses by 2000 Columbus (incl. OT). The next worst were 5 losses (incl. 1 through SO) by 1996 Colorado and 1998 N.Y.

    11. For the teams in this category, as you can imagine, most of them do ended-up missing the playoffs and even won the Wooden Spoon (or finished last in their conferences).

    12. The best regular season finish by such teams would be winning the SS, by 2006 D.C.!! The next best were 2002 S.J. who finished as SS Runners-up behind L.A..

    13. In terms of playoffs, the best finish was making the MLS Cup Final, by 1997 Colorado (to the delight of @JasonMa).​


    Pretty interesting, isn't it? :cool::thumbsup:
     
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  9. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. GreatGonzo

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  11. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Can't wait for equivalent "playoffs only" standings from past seasons too... :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

    More useful resources for you as below: ;):cool::D
     
  12. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    #937 henryo, Nov 22, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2013
    The following is the version with Playoffs Teams only,
    as captured from the wonderful "TeamStats" app,
    installed on a good old Windows Mobile device
    (hence only capable of sorting just by points):

    Legends:

    Take "01e1-NYR" for instance:​
      • "01" = Actual SS Ranking
      • "e1" = Actual Conference Ranking (1st in the East)
      • "NYR" = Abbreviation of Team Names, obviously.
      • "9-4-3" = "9W-4T-3L"
      • "34-19" = "34GS - 19GA"
      • "31" = points amassed
      • "+15" = goal difference
    [​IMG]

    Quick Notes:

    1. To the delight of @tigersoccer2005, NYRB remain Top in this version too,
    as with the versions by @GreatGonzo & @Knave, and they are the only team with a GD of >10.

    2. Western Conference winners Portland are 2nd here.

    3. Montreal are still quite high up in this version too.
    In fact, they are the "Top Gainers" (by stock-market terms),
    with the improvement (of 8 places) here (3rd) over the Actual SS Standings (11th).

    4. By the same token, SKC are the "Top Losers",
    with a slide of 5 places (7th here vs 2nd in Actual SS Standings).

    5. Surprisingly, Houston a.k.a. Playoffs Kings, are right at the bottom here, with a GD of -16!!

    6. Will be posting the same on the past seasons real soon too... :cool:
     
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  13. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    "Playoffs Teams Only Standings" for the past 3 seasons, more to come... :D

     
  14. BHTC Mike

    BHTC Mike Member+

    Apr 12, 2006
    Burlington, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Oh, ye of little faith.

    Enjoy the final.
     
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  15. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    All the "Playoffs Teams Only Standings" of past seasons are now up at:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/playoff-teams-only-table.1575909/page-2

    Enjoy browsing... :cool:

    ...

     
  16. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Just stumbled upon the following page on ESPN, supposedly on MLS Stats for 2013:
    http://espnfc.com/stats/_/league/usa.1/major-league-soccer?cc=4716

    Some observations:

    1. The headline of the page says: "Major League Soccer Stats - 2004-05". :p

    2. The sections "Performance" & "Clean Sheets" are all zeroes. Certainly something are missing here... ;)

    3. Now comes the interesting part: Are the following records for 2013 season also stand as all-time records of the league? :cool:
    • Most Clean Sheets: 15 Portland Timbers
    • Fewest Games Failed to Score: 7 , FC Dallas
    • Fewest Clean Sheets: 3 Chivas USA
    • Most Games Failed to Score: 16 DC United
    [​IMG]
     
  17. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems fixed now
     
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  18. henryo

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    Jun 26, 2007
    #943 henryo, Dec 4, 2013
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
  19. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Yes, mostly fixed by now, the only remaining items are:
    • Fewest Losses 5 (as with the rest, the team name that hold this record, i.e. Portland, should be appended.)
    • Most Draws 15 (as with the rest, the team name that hold this record, i.e. Portland, should be appended.)
    • Fewest Games Failed to Score 7 , FC Dallas, , , (are these commas indeed extras, or there maybe missing teams?)
     
  20. henryo

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  22. Knave

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  23. henryo

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    Jun 26, 2007

    Fewest Games Failed to Score:

    Now, to @Knave delight, the legendary 1998 D.C. United team hold the proud record of scoring at least a goal in every league game.

    All these are way better than 2013 Dallas's 7 games without goals in 34 games (20.59%),
    though Dallas had the distinction of missing the playoffs despite holding the record in 2013,
    alongside 2008 L.A. Galaxy (top-scoring team & just 6 games without goals in 30 = 20.00%).

    Let us know, if there are more team(s) that have achieved the same amazing feat as 1998 D.C. United...
     
  24. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    "Playoff Teams Only Table" 2013 Updates, after MLS Cup Final:

     
  25. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Are you counting actual goals or just looking at the scoreline. Remember, shootouts from 96-99 have a phantom goal in scoreline. A 0-0 game is 1-0 in the scorebooks, but still - I believe - a "clean sheet" for both teams.
     
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