The 129th Kentucky Derby

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by zpjohnstone, Apr 30, 2003.

  1. zpjohnstone

    zpjohnstone Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Finger Lakes, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's fun for gambling purposes, although my mule rarely wins.
     
  3. zpjohnstone

    zpjohnstone Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Finger Lakes, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gambling is all good, and horses are allright, but ultimately, the Derby is beautiful spectacle of ritualized whiskey abuse and pretty girls in floppy hats.
     
  4. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    ...and even floppier inhibitions!

    Ok, here are the post positions for KD129:

    1. Supah Blitz
    2. Brancusi
    3. Sir Cherokee
    4. Atswhatimtalknbout
    5. Peace Rules
    6. Funny Cide
    7. Offlee Wild
    8. Buddy Gil
    9. Indian Express
    10. Lone Star Sky
    11. Domestic Dispute
    12. Empire Maker
    13. Eye of the Tiger
    14. Ten Cents a Shine
    15. Outta Here
    16. Ten Most Wanted
    17. Scrimshaw


    Bullsh|t analysis to follow...
     
  5. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bad draw for Scrimshaw. Althoug wasn't Fusaichi Pegasus way on the outside too?

    Is Atswhatimtalknbout too close to the rail?

    If they're over recent condition problems, Empire Maker and Buddy Gill could be the 1-2 on the morning line...

    No Kafwain?
     
  6. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now that I think about it, that's a pretty good draw for Indian Express, too.

    Horses that place or show in the Santa Anita Derby (IE finsihed 2nd to Buddy Gil) usally pay on the first Saturday in May.
     
  7. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    (Yes i know I'm quoting myself!)

    FP started in the 15th spot of 19 in 200, while Monarcos was 17th of 18 in 2001. War Emblem started 5th last year. This means Scrimshaw might not be screwed yet.
     
  8. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    Yeah, Kafwain hurt a tendon somehow during his last work...

    Seeing that Atswhablahblah and Sir Cherokee are dead closers, I think they're both ok down inside. As it turns out, all three closers are down inside (including Supah Blitz). Perhaps they get caught in an early "closers duel", fighting for position in the the back of the pack early in the race?

    Just checked the DRF website. Empire Maker is a ridiculous 6-5. Then it's Ten Most Wanted at 6-1, followed by Peace Rules and Buddy Gil at 8-1. Everyone else is 12-1 or higher... bizzare. I'd never take 6-5 on a Derby horse, especially one with a known foot bruise, minor or not.
    Ten Most Wanted is a logical upsetter, but will he be worth it at only 6-1. I think he'll be closer to 4-1 or 5-1 as Empire Maker's odds have to creep up from that morning line...
     
  9. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    Outside's not so bad. You know he's going to stay out of trouble as far as bumping is concerned, and as long as he can avoid being 6-wide at the first turn, he should be ok. I actually like Scrimshaw a little bit. He just had that throat surgery before the Lexington to help him breathe better, and he looked great winning. Don't know if you remember, but Alysheba had a similar throat surgery before he ran in the Blue Grass back in 1987. He won that but got disqualified, then won the Derby. Scrimshaw's worth a look. I can't believe he's only 15-1 on the morning line. They must think he's got a decent shot, too...
     
  10. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's an incredible bargain at 15-1. I imagine he's gotta get back down to the 6-, 7-1 range. There's a lot of those entries in the 12-1 range that'll drop by Saturday.
     
  11. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    I think Scrimshaw will settle in between 15-1 and 20-1 (or possibly higher). I haven't heard any of the usual talking heads giving him much of a chance, basically saying that his Lexington time was slow, etc. But other than Sir Cherokee's Arkansas Derby, all the prep times were slow except for the Wood (run on a wet track), so you can't really use that as a factor. I envision Ten Most Wanted and Atswhatimtalknbout getting bet down a bit, Empire Maker to be around 8-5, and the rest to stay over 10-1. Buddy Gil and Peace Rules will be around 11-1 or so, followed by Sir Cherokee, Funny Cide and Indian Express in the mid to high teens. Then Scrimshaw and Brancusi. The others could all be over 30-1...
     
  12. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Win - Funny Cide
    Place - Empire Maker
    Show - Peace Rules

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    The winner
     
  13. zpjohnstone

    zpjohnstone Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Finger Lakes, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the only thing I called right was Brancusi setting the pace early and then burning off . . . . .

    Missed three different trifectas by one horse on Oaks Day, but I didn't really gamble on the Derby outside of the pools that were running at my Derby party.
     
  14. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My betting on Saturday was all about Scrimshaw and Indian Express, which is why I don't go to the track much... :D
     
  15. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had Empire Maker to place, which basically covered my loses from my other bets.
     

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