https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Intercontinental_de_1960 Ferenc Puskas .... Final 5 .... 5 matches ... 10 goals .... 1 pre-assist ...... 2 assists til here !
... Ferenc Puskas ... Final 6 ... 6 matches .... 11 goals .... 2 assists ..... 1 pre-assist til here !
Ferenc Puskas ... Final 7 .... 7 matches ........ 12 goals .... 2 assists .... 1 pre-assist til here !
Ferenc Puskas Final 10 .... 10 matches ..... 17 goals .... 2 assists .... 1 ..pre-assist til here . !
Ferenc Puskas ... Final 11 .... 11 matches .... 17 goals .... 3 assists ..... 1 pre-assist til here ! . my friend
..........Til Here ! Right Now ! Ranking Rate = Goals + Assists + Pre-Assists (type 1, type 2 ) + Penalties Suffered ( as a Key Plays . ) ......................... ! Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals .....+ 4 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 11 Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... + 3 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 6 Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... + 3 assists and + 4 pre-assists aswell ! + 1 penalty suffered Total = 9 Ronaldinho Gaucho 27 matches ..... 6 goals .... + 5 assists and .... + 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre french cup final in 2003 ) Total = 12 participations in goals . ! ( * 13 ) Diego Armando Maradona til here ... Total = 15 matches ... 7 goals .+.. + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists === 1, 46 % Total = 22 Zidane .... Final 24 matches ...... 4 goals .... 3 assists ans 7 pre-assists til here ! Total = 14 Michel Platini Final 13 .... 13 matches ..... 9 goals ..... 3 assists .... 2 pre-assists til here ! = Total = 14 Le grand Alfredo Di Stefano 16 matches ..... 11 goals .... 6 assists ... 2 pre-assists Total = 19 without the Copa San Martin de Torres Tours Final in 1980 ..... 14 matches ...... 3 goals + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists = 1, 28, 05 % ! Diego Maradona . Total = 18 without the SuperCup Mundialito 1983 vs Flamengo .... ...... 12 matches .... 8 goals ... 3 assists ..... 2 pre-assists too ! so amazing at all .. Michel Platini this is my real idol with Gullit too and Edson Arantes Pelé .. Johan Cruyff .. Ferenc Puskas . Total = 13 ... Johan Hendrix Cruyff .... 17 matches ..... 11 goals .... 9 assists .... 3 key plays ... 3 pre-assists = Total = 26 Ferenc Puskas 11 matches ..... 17 goals .... 3 assists ... 1 pre-assist Total = 21 Diego Armando Maradona average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 28, 05 % Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 00 % Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 % Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 47 , 30% Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 44, 44 % Zine.. Zidane .... average of participation to the team ================== 0. 58, 33 % Michel Platini average of participation to the team =============== 1. 08, 33 % Don Di Stefano Le grand average of participation to the team =============== 1. 18 , 75 % JOhan Hendrix Cruyff average of participation to the team =============== 1. 52, 94 % Ferenc Puskas average of participation to the team =============== 1. 90, 90 % .......... per Finals disputed for both players ! CURRENT RANKING LIST ! Updated again . 1. Ferenc Puskas == 1, 90 % 2. Johan Hendrix Cruyff == 1, 52 % 3. Diego Armando Maradona == 1, 28 % 4. Don Alfredo Di Stefano == 1, 18 % 5. Michel Platini == 1. 08 % 6 . Ruud Gullit == 1 , 00 % 7. Zinedine Zidane == 0 . 58 % 8. Dennis Bergkamp == 0.47 % ( 1* penalty suffered( a key Plays ) against Torino Uefa Cup Final) 9. Ronaldinho Gaucho == 0 . 44 % (1 * + 0. 48 % not defined * French Cup Final) 10. Michael Laudrup == 0. 37 %
Nice work looking into Puskas's finals mate. I'm thinking one useful thing you could add would be the goals per game of the teams they played for (or even both teams in the Finals instead), to give an idea about contribution % (like on Trachta's thread). For example Puskas has 1.9 wide goal contributions in the Finals you identified and Cruyff has 1.52 per Final, but it would be informative I guess to see how many goals their teams (or both teams) scored in those games, as comparison, which would add a perspective about the ease of scoring goals in the games and eras concerned I suppose.
.......... Yes.. I definitely agree with you my dear friend. But . You already know this when we research older and more romantic players from the older past, so to speak. All possible statistics become more rustic, difficult and mystical at the same time. at the moment I prefer to be much more simple and smooth . !
Sure, ok, mate: maybe at some point it can be a useful extension to look at. Although of course it is not really a definitive way to judge (the goals per games rates in particular games and in different eras in general), because sometimes the reason a team scores so many can be a lot to do with a particular player in a particular game (sometimes with direct contributions, sometimes a bit because of general performance and influence on the team and the game....or a bit of both!). But still it would be interesting and add a secondary perspective, because obviously not all eras and games are the same in respect of how open the games are, the formations, and suchlike....
@PDG1978 @Wiliam Felipe Gracek @comme I feel and think like an incomplete narrative about that 1994 Champions League final has been set. It is not really false, but it is incomplete, also about Laudrup. Let's start with Laudrup. Despite the foreigner rule and minor injuries, Michael Laudrup still started and played 25 league games that season (38 rounds in total). Champions League topscorer Koeman 27 league games ("I can explain it to him, he understands"), Romario 31 and Stoichkov 30 games (foreign player of the year by Don Balon). Most crucially Laudrup played the title decider that was played just three days earlier. He played the full 90 minutes while Romario and Koeman did not. Nowadays UEFA (and Spanish FA) takes care of enough rest days, not then. AC Milan had two weeks rest and the title wrapped up earlier. Milan played a few test matches in the weeks between, to prepare themselves for the final. The Barcelona title decider ensured the Champions League money for next season, and the Champions League was then already more profitable than the quadrennial World Cup. Laudrup had also a more physically demanding role and playing style than the other three, especially 'lazy' Romario (who was known for sometimes only touching 10-25 times in a game). You might as well say: for the most crucial match Laudrup was trusted, and it worked big time. Koeman could play matches without moving around a lot, and besides, also his minutes were limited in the title decider. The European Cup had been won two years earlier (after so many years) and the title was clearly a main priority for the board. There are also other reasons for not using Laudrup. The grass in Athens was not mowed. The pitch size was made smaller (something similar happened by the way in the 1999 Champions League final in the Camp Nou; the pitch size was reduced). The grass was not watered either. Barcelona wanted this, but didn't get their way. Four days before the final the referee was suddenly replaced. It has rarely, maybe never, happened in history. John Blankenstein was replaced by the more lenient Englishman Philip Don (who had less than two years experience at the top division level). This was by both clubs seen as a move favorable for Milan; a more physical playing style like Desailly is possible and a supposedly biased Dutchman is removed from the final. Also this is an argument to not use Laudrup but the bulkier Stoichkov and Koeman. Laudrup played fantastic in for example the Dynamo Kiev match while Romario had just two goals (incl. one penalty, one assist in 10 Champions League games. "And although he had already been nominated by UEFA for the 1994 Champions League final between AC Milan and FC Barcelona, he was withdrawn from the match at short notice. Blankenstein never had any doubts about why the association made this decision. The Dutchman's estate contained his travel documents, on which he had written the word "mafia" in red block letters. (To be fair, however, UEFA's official explanation cannot be dismissed either. Silvio Berlusconi of AC Milan had complained that a Dutchman should referee FC Barcelona, whose coach was Johan Cruyff and who played with Ronald Koeman. Just a few months earlier, Blankenstein had had to withdraw from an AC Parma game because eight of the Italians' players had yellow cards - and Parma was due to play Ajax Amsterdam one round later.)" https://www.11freunde.de/welt-des-fussballs/der-erste-var-a-598c2254-0004-0001-0000-000004252228 (I leave it up to you to think about whether this relatively sensible reasoning and those standards has always been applied consistently by UEFA) UEFA gives in to fans, Blankenstein doesn't whistle ROTTERDAM, MAY 14. The European football organization UEFA decided yesterday "for security reasons" to replace Dutch referee John Blankenstein as the intended referee for the final of the European Cup tournament for national champions. The match between FC Barcelona and AC Milan will be played on Wednesday evening in Athens. With the decision, UEFA is responding to threats made against Blankenstein by Italian supporters in recent weeks. According to anonymous letters and telephone calls, he would favor the Barcelona of the Dutch Cruijff and Koeman. Blankenstein is replaced by the Englishman Philip Don. Blankenstein, who has not personally received any threats, is stunned that “terror is triumphing.” He understands UEFA's decision. “I can't imagine anyone wanting to kill me, but that's probably a naive thought. People are murdered every day. And why couldn't John Blankenstein be one of them?” According to one of the threats, Blankenstein would be killed upon arrival at Athens airport. The treasurer of UEFA, the Dutchman Jo van Marle, who was not involved in the decision, calls it a shame that UEFA only decided to replace Blankenstein at the last minute. “I deeply regret the decision because the participants in the final have been known for weeks.” Referee Mario van de Ende, who whistles at the world championship, is “struck by the words”. He calls the Italian side's fear of partiality unfounded. “I refereed an Inter match this season.” Bergkamp and Jonk play for Inter. Milan coach Fabio Capello welcomed the decision but denied that his club had applied pressure. Earlier this season, Blankenstein was replaced for the Super Cup match between Milan and Parma. Blankenstein could disadvantage Parma, Ajax's next opponent for the European Cup-II, with yellow cards. https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/1994/05/14/uefa-zwicht-voor-fans-blankenstein-fluit-niet-7224611-a875057 Then also a narrative has been set Cruijff was disrespectful and nothing but disrespectful (let me note the 1993-94 road to the final for Milan was relatively easy, with worse results, lower league finishes for the German, Portuguese and French champions, as in all the previous campaigns since 1988). That again is not false, though it becomes rarely recalled what remarks he made (that he posed with the 1992 European Cup, yes). I'd say it can be summarized as this: Milan has taken the wrong turn and become too defensive. With all that money and all that fine talent it is a shame. It is an insult to the public to bunker in front of your goal, rely on at least 10+ tactical fouls in a match, just to accommodate an ageing Baresi and Tassotti. Then when problems arise it is solved by buying Desailly, debuting in november, and putting him in midfield. It is not very gracious, polite, diplomatic and it is unusual to say such thing (these days), but that is only half of the story. The other half is for example this: Cruijff feels strong, not invincible 'Almost all of them think they can do something, but they can't' ATHENS - Exactly a quarter of a century ago, Johan Cruijff made his debut as a player in a European Cup 1 final. With Ajax on the rise, he lost 4-1 to the great and powerful AC Milan in Madrid's Bernabeu stadium. Today, Cruijff (47) will once again face AC Milan as coach of Barcelona in the final of what is now known as the Champions League. Unlike in 1969, the Amsterdammer is now part of the team that can call itself the favorite to win the Cup. After the impressive rise in the competition, honored with the fourth Spanish title in a row, an aura of invincibility seems to have been erected around Barcelona. The miraculous denouement on the last match day has given the Catalan team a protective layer. Anyone who can do something like that can take on the world, including AC Milan. In the Olympic Stadium in Athens, where Cruijff won the European Cup 2 with Ajax in 1987, there is only one team that can win today: Barcelona. Cruijff is also aware of the favorite role that his players have been assigned. He accepts that role, but he is not one hundred percent sure of his case. Cruijff remembers all too well the situation in 1991, when Barcelona lost the European Cup 2 final to Manchester United 2-1 in Rotterdam four days after winning the national title. "I see it again now," he said yesterday in the Pentelikon hotel, situated in a rustic suburb of Athens. "Almost all of them think they can do something, but they can't. There is no such thing as invincibility. You see it coming, it goes much too slowly. Fortunately they have their experience, now the only question is whether they will use that experience." According to Cruijff, talking, shouting and swearing are the only way to get his players out of their 'trance', although he kept calm during the morning training yesterday. Ronald Koeman shrugged his shoulders casually at Cruijff's warning words. According to him, there was no question of any slackening. "Everyone knows what Cruijff is like. He pays attention to those things and maybe he pays attention to them a bit too much," he said, putting his coach's attitude into perspective. “The three days after this title were completely different from 1991. There was a big party then. We have often proven that we play our best matches at important moments. Everyone knows what to do, especially against AC Milan, that inspires more than against any other team.” The fourth title in a row for Barcelona has pushed Cruijff’s popularity in Spain to great heights. He was even called ‘God’s little brother’ in the newspaper EL Mundo. “God is a good friend of mine,” laughed Cruijff, who absolutely does not want to see his team’s championship as only a matter of luck. “There is not that much luck in the whole world to always fall it my way. And if you get 28 points [two points for a win] in the last fifteen matches, you can’t call yourself lucky.” Cruijff is also clearly popular in Greece. The taxi driver who has to take reporters to the Hospital KAT asks anxiously whether there might be problems with Cruijff’s heart again.The man is reassured when he hears that there is a football field next to the hospital where Cruijff and Barcelona train. The 39th European Cup 1 final will in any case be a clash between two football styles tonight. The technical skills of an attacking Barcelona against the physical strength of a compact defensive AC Milan. The gazelle against the hedgehog. The big difference between the two teams is perhaps best illustrated by the goal differences in the competition. Barcelona scored 91 goals in 38 matches, while AC Milan was stuck on 36 goals in 34 matches. Romario managed thirty on his own and the Barcelona striker did not play in all matches. Defensively, Milan were better. The Milanese defence was only outwitted fifteen times, an absolute record in the Serie A. Barcelona conceded 42 goals. AC Milan's defence has been weakened tonight, however, by the absence of the suspended Franco Baresi and Alessandro Costacurta. In the run-up to the European Cup final in a sultry Athens, Cruijff made a number of less positive comments about AC Milan's play. In his eyes, that team was no longer a shadow of the team that, nourished by Dutch blood (Van Basten, Rijkaard and Gullit), played in an attractive way. The current Milan coach, Fabio Capello, did not find those comments appropriate. "I also understood very well that Capello felt attacked," Cruijff remarked. "That was not my intention. I also did not say that Milan today played worse than Milan back then. I said that I liked Milan's style of play back then better than Milan today. However, the technical skills of Milan today are limited. But despite that, I have certainly great respect for the work that Capello does." It's just not my way of working, you could see Cruijff thinking immediately. The Barcelona coach is concerned about the development within football. “The technical quality of football is going down,” Cruijff told the international press yesterday. “And we have to be careful with that. That is why it is good for the sport if technical football wins here in Athens.” Cruijff is afraid that if AC Milan wins, many trainers and clubs will say, you see: we will add another defender and then everything will be fine. One move will lead to the other move, a spiral on the way down. That is a defeat for football. “That is why we have to show that a technical and attacking team is better than a team with almost only runners and defenders.” Cruijff showed no understanding at all for the decision of the European Football Union (UEFA) to remove John Blankenstein from the Champions League final. UEFA replaced the referee from Hillegom with the Englishman Philip Don, after threats were made against Blankenstein from Italy. “Absurd,” Cruijff reacted fiercely. “You should never give in to such things.Whether it is a form of terrorism or because there are Dutch people on both sides. UEFA has treated this particularly badly. Blankenstein walks around for 25 years and then a bunch of crazy people won't let him whistle.” Nice detail: the only match that Barcelona lost this European Cup adventure (3-1 in and against Kiev) was led by Don. https://www.trouw.nl/voorpagina/cru...-ze-iets-kunnen-dat-ze-niet-kunnen~b7b3eb7f5/ In fairness, John Blankenstein once said, when he was close to retirement, that he'd never let a German team win. Factually that is false (he did let them win, more than once) but still... One can question though whether UEFA and FIFA was and is consistent in this. In my view, they aren't. Very often someone can officiate a knock-out match with already known a team of your own country is the next opponent. The 1974 Brazil vs Netherlands referee is for me always one of the first entering my mind but there is so much more... Point is, for me, a narrative and story has been set that is not really false or fake, but it is very incomplete. Also about Laudrup (decorated with those Capello quotes etc.).
Yes, just to add a couple of thought on the subject for you, from both perspectives I guess.... - When a result/performance goes badly, there will always be theories as to the reasons why, and maybe it could be pointed out that when the Koeman/Stoichkov/Romario choice was made at other points in the season then it often worked out with plenty of goals and wins. Also, maybe with Savicevic (ironically, if that's the right word, not Capello's most trusted player and sometimes left out by him previously) playing the game he played in the role he had, it would be natural to think "who could have done similar for Barcelona....Laudrup!". And maybe AC Milan didn't really play in quite such a conservative manner in the Final compared to their approach over the whole season (re: Cruyff's comments - I mean it makes sense probably to point out they had been low-scoring and to have belief that his free-playing team could triumph over one based more on defence). And like Wiliam has said, it wouldn't be a given that Laudrup would put in a super-performance, or change everything by himself, had he played. - On the other hand obviously Laudrup could have been selected, and no matter how brilliant he did play on the day would likely have made Barcelona somewhat more cohesive and it's feasible to think they have more of a playing superiority and/or make more chances with him on the pitch (which doesn't necessarily mean Barcelona players score, or AC Milan players don't continue to make blocks at the last minute and suchlike). And Romario and Laudrup did have a good connection (Stoichkov and Romario like vs Man Utd the next season as one example, and Stoichkov and Laudrup did too though on various occasions). And as it turned out Koeman wasn't able to do much to help defensively and neither with his passing or shooting (but then he was the one who did score the winning goal in 1992 of course, and he had been effective in attack during 93/94 as well; not forgetting like I've mentioned that potentially Laudrup played the winning assist to Stoichkov before extra-time...but the shot hit the post).